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Mar 7, 2022 at 1:01 PM
Key was good for us but we already have a replacement for omehinu. Only way I see him back is if he doesn't get the money he wants and comes back to us to try to get a bigger payday next season.
Mar 7, 2022 at 3:15 PM
I wanted to keep him, but let him walk. One year of production and nothing prior to?

I said he could sign for 1 year, 3 million and cash out big next year- and yes that comes with risk. Its his choice to make however. Hopefully the market looks at him unfavorably due to 1 good year. I figured we wouldn't be able to keep Key longterm. Just hope its we can get one more year.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:03 PM
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Originally posted by gold49digger:
Key was good for us but we already have a replacement for omehinu. Only way I see him back is if he doesn't get the money he wants and comes back to us to try to get a bigger payday next season.

We need to find the next Arden Key. Someone somewhere is mis-cast and would look great in our system.
[ Edited by All22 on Mar 7, 2022 at 4:03 PM ]
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:34 PM
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:38 PM
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This guy is already demanding big money - ya, right.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:44 PM
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Originally posted by Dsoto87:
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.

I think he's a 49er if ShanaLynch can convince him to give us a discount for his services. He did have a decent season, and hopefully he talks to Hyder and gets convinced to come back. He (i think) was on pace for a 9+ sack season if he could have replicated the 2nd half of the season in the first half of the season. Durability was a plus in my book and maybe he can expand his game to include an outside pass rush to add to his inside rush. He is still a young guy.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:48 PM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.

I think he's a 49er if ShanaLynch can convince him to give us a discount for his services. He did have a decent season, and hopefully he talks to Hyder and gets convinced to come back. He (i think) was on pace for a 9+ sack season if he could have replicated the 2nd half of the season in the first half of the season. Durability was a plus in my book and maybe he can expand his game to include an outside pass rush to add to his inside rush. He is still a young guy.

Sign him for a year and see if he can do it again.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:51 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.

I think he's a 49er if ShanaLynch can convince him to give us a discount for his services. He did have a decent season, and hopefully he talks to Hyder and gets convinced to come back. He (i think) was on pace for a 9+ sack season if he could have replicated the 2nd half of the season in the first half of the season. Durability was a plus in my book and maybe he can expand his game to include an outside pass rush to add to his inside rush. He is still a young guy.

Only way we get him back for cheap is if no other team gives him a big deal. There is nothing anyone can convince him otherwise. He will come back here for cheap because he can get the best production with us unless he gets a fat deal.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:52 PM
Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Key was good for us but we already have a replacement for omehinu. Only way I see him back is if he doesn't get the money he wants and comes back to us to try to get a bigger payday next season.

We need to find the next Arden Key. Someone somewhere is mis-cast and would look great in our system.

I'm confident we will find a bargain bin dline that will be productive for us
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:54 PM
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.

I think he's a 49er if ShanaLynch can convince him to give us a discount for his services. He did have a decent season, and hopefully he talks to Hyder and gets convinced to come back. He (i think) was on pace for a 9+ sack season if he could have replicated the 2nd half of the season in the first half of the season. Durability was a plus in my book and maybe he can expand his game to include an outside pass rush to add to his inside rush. He is still a young guy.

Sign him for a year and see if he can do it again.

He might take a lower salary if its a longer term contract. My sales pitch to him would be, let Kocurek work on your game for three years, by then you might be all pro and get a 15+ million deal at the end of that contract.
Mar 7, 2022 at 4:57 PM
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
It would be nice if we could keep him but he needs SF more then we need him. He did nothing with the raiders and had a decent season with us. It wasn't like he was a breakout star.

Hows Kerry hyder looking? And Hyder had a better season then key.

I think he's a 49er if ShanaLynch can convince him to give us a discount for his services. He did have a decent season, and hopefully he talks to Hyder and gets convinced to come back. He (i think) was on pace for a 9+ sack season if he could have replicated the 2nd half of the season in the first half of the season. Durability was a plus in my book and maybe he can expand his game to include an outside pass rush to add to his inside rush. He is still a young guy.

Sign him for a year and see if he can do it again.

He might take a lower salary if its a longer term contract. My sales pitch to him would be, let Kocurek work on your game for three years, by then you might be all pro and get a 15+ million deal at the end of that contract.

Sounds good.
Mar 7, 2022 at 5:55 PM
he did well for us but I honestly can't remember an oh-wow moment. I'm not sure what to spend. Less than 5? maybe 3.something and some incentives. I feel like jones omenihu then key and ebukam tied on the priority list, lukewarm but having him back is a stabilizer
Mar 14, 2022 at 7:03 PM
I almost feel like this re-signing is a little more of a priority than it was with DJ going to Denver.
Mar 14, 2022 at 7:09 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I almost feel like this re-signing is a little more of a priority than it was with DJ going to Denver.

no way. dj was much more impactful in all phases. Key is a 3rd down specialist. He gets swindled against the run and can't hold an edge.
Mar 14, 2022 at 7:28 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I almost feel like this re-signing is a little more of a priority than it was with DJ going to Denver.

I sure hope not.
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