Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by RasSuar:
Daily math reminder:
11 on 11 offensive football > 10 on 11 offensive football.
And when we unlock this with Trey the league will be
On some of our plays this will be true. However, it wasn't like Shanahan wasn't already designing plays to do this in other ways. There's more than 1 way to do this, you don't have to have just a running QB.
We'll do it with a QB rollout off a wide zone - we've seen these passes where the QB will look to turn and rollout and that DE is sitting there waiting. The play may not go anywhere or may even be a negative, but it's showing that we are able to leave the backside DE unblocked as he's occupied by the rollout of the QB when we do run a wide zone - that's 11v11 without a running QB.
We've also run a bunch of zone reads with Jimmy in there and I've seen it more times than I can count where a DE or DT is frozen by Jimmy G on the fake. There's also blocking assignments where we'll use formations to make it so we don't have to block one guy on the field because he can't get in on the play. It doesn't always have to be 11v11, you can do things to make it 10v10 or 9v9.
I'm not saying that 11v11 with a running qb isn't an advantage - don't get me wrong. But I think we also need to understand that that part alone isn't going to be this unstoppable force. IF he can throw the ball like an elite player AND add that running ability, you'll see the offense explode. If he's a pretty good runner and a decent QB, then it's not quite going to be the crazy take off people are expecting. He's go to be very, very good at one and at least pretty darn good at the other.
This is completely true Jonny, and back to your normal level of posting IMO.
I think Trey is already an elite runner for a QB, I only have Lamar ahead if he's going to use his strength, if we're looking at being safe and not taking any contact he's below Kyler and maybe Fields.
We've discussed the pocket play ad nauseam, I know he'll keep working on this, not sure when it'll be at a level we're happy with, but I bet that it's this year.
On a side note I think that you should want Trey to get in sooner, I think it'll add another dimension to your You Tube stuff.
Based on what? His clips from college against Division II caliber competition? In spite of what some of you may think I don't have any issues with Lance. I hope he is everything the team imagined he would be when they drafted him. I just think that Jimmy's greater experience playing the game at an NFL level should give him the edge as a starter for a team that wants to win now. What I do have an issue with is people assigning all of these "elite' characteristics to Lance when he has yet to even take a snap in an NFL game that matters. "Oh, he already reads defenses better than Jimmy", and we know this how? "Oh, he would have made that pass that Jimmy missed", again something that is completely unproveable in any world outside of statistical probability, which means it possesses a certain degree of possibility not that it is an actual fact. "Trey is already an elite runner for a QB" , based on what, a handful of pre-season snaps. Or the couple of runs he had through gaping holes in the defense. Lance may indeed prove that all of these things are true, but as of the moment he hasn't actually proved any of them are so why do people keep on presenting them as some kind of unassailable facts. It really is a head scratcher.
First, I didn't bring up Jimmy, it's not about Jimmy, I didn't even touch on the passing element.
I watched every single running and passing snap Lance took from college. Yes he played at a lower level of competition but the running ability jumps off the screen, he's balanced, can juke and has been clocked over 21 mph.
Granted he won't be trucking NFL LB's like he did in college, but you can just see how physically imposing he is. I don't want him to lower the shoulder, but he's clearly capable, would be happy with him using left handed stiff arms though.
There's nothing at all head scratching in my take.
It doesn't really matter if he's the 2nd best running QB in the league or the 10th anyway, he's clearly someone a DC will have to account for, and that's enough when discussing him as a runner.
Sorry, I just don't see how you can say that Lance is already an elite runner for a QB when he has yet to even compete at a serious NFL level against NFL quality players, who are going to be bigger, faster and stronger than most of the guys he faced in college. The NFL landscape is littered with college QBs who people thought were going to tear up the league and ended up out on the street after just a few years. What these guys did in college hardly seems to matter any more beyond how their best traits are able to transfer to the NFL and for that it seems to me that you have to see them play in games that count against opponents who don't have their best interests at heart and probably don't care about their press clippings. Like I said, I hope Lance is great. He just needs the opportunity to show he can be before I anoint him with all of the super human qualities that some posters already seem to have assigned to him. As to the Jimmy reference that was just a general observation and had nothing to do with your post. No need to get your panties in a twist.
Speed is speed. You don't need to see Trey against NFL competition to know he's one of the faster QBs in the league. He won't set the world on fire, but he's up there at least with Mahomes in that regard.
