Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Daily math reminder:

11 on 11 offensive football > 10 on 11 offensive football.

And when we unlock this with Trey the league will be

On some of our plays this will be true. However, it wasn't like Shanahan wasn't already designing plays to do this in other ways. There's more than 1 way to do this, you don't have to have just a running QB.
We'll do it with a QB rollout off a wide zone - we've seen these passes where the QB will look to turn and rollout and that DE is sitting there waiting. The play may not go anywhere or may even be a negative, but it's showing that we are able to leave the backside DE unblocked as he's occupied by the rollout of the QB when we do run a wide zone - that's 11v11 without a running QB.

We've also run a bunch of zone reads with Jimmy in there and I've seen it more times than I can count where a DE or DT is frozen by Jimmy G on the fake. There's also blocking assignments where we'll use formations to make it so we don't have to block one guy on the field because he can't get in on the play. It doesn't always have to be 11v11, you can do things to make it 10v10 or 9v9.

I'm not saying that 11v11 with a running qb isn't an advantage - don't get me wrong. But I think we also need to understand that that part alone isn't going to be this unstoppable force. IF he can throw the ball like an elite player AND add that running ability, you'll see the offense explode. If he's a pretty good runner and a decent QB, then it's not quite going to be the crazy take off people are expecting. He's go to be very, very good at one and at least pretty darn good at the other.

This is completely true Jonny, and back to your normal level of posting IMO.

I think Trey is already an elite runner for a QB, I only have Lamar ahead if he's going to use his strength, if we're looking at being safe and not taking any contact he's below Kyler and maybe Fields.

We've discussed the pocket play ad nauseam, I know he'll keep working on this, not sure when it'll be at a level we're happy with, but I bet that it's this year.

On a side note I think that you should want Trey to get in sooner, I think it'll add another dimension to your You Tube stuff.

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Based on what? His clips from college against Division II caliber competition? In spite of what some of you may think I don't have any issues with Lance. I hope he is everything the team imagined he would be when they drafted him. I just think that Jimmy's greater experience playing the game at an NFL level should give him the edge as a starter for a team that wants to win now. What I do have an issue with is people assigning all of these "elite' characteristics to Lance when he has yet to even take a snap in an NFL game that matters. "Oh, he already reads defenses better than Jimmy", and we know this how? "Oh, he would have made that pass that Jimmy missed", again something that is completely unproveable in any world outside of statistical probability, which means it possesses a certain degree of possibility not that it is an actual fact. "Trey is already an elite runner for a QB" , based on what, a handful of pre-season snaps. Or the couple of runs he had through gaping holes in the defense. Lance may indeed prove that all of these things are true, but as of the moment he hasn't actually proved any of them are so why do people keep on presenting them as some kind of unassailable facts. It really is a head scratcher.

First, I didn't bring up Jimmy, it's not about Jimmy, I didn't even touch on the passing element.

I watched every single running and passing snap Lance took from college. Yes he played at a lower level of competition but the running ability jumps off the screen, he's balanced, can juke and has been clocked over 21 mph.

Granted he won't be trucking NFL LB's like he did in college, but you can just see how physically imposing he is. I don't want him to lower the shoulder, but he's clearly capable, would be happy with him using left handed stiff arms though.

There's nothing at all head scratching in my take.

It doesn't really matter if he's the 2nd best running QB in the league or the 10th anyway, he's clearly someone a DC will have to account for, and that's enough when discussing him as a runner.

Sorry, I just don't see how you can say that Lance is already an elite runner for a QB when he has yet to even compete at a serious NFL level against NFL quality players, who are going to be bigger, faster and stronger than most of the guys he faced in college. The NFL landscape is littered with college QBs who people thought were going to tear up the league and ended up out on the street after just a few years. What these guys did in college hardly seems to matter any more beyond how their best traits are able to transfer to the NFL and for that it seems to me that you have to see them play in games that count against opponents who don't have their best interests at heart and probably don't care about their press clippings. Like I said, I hope Lance is great. He just needs the opportunity to show he can be before I anoint him with all of the super human qualities that some posters already seem to have assigned to him. As to the Jimmy reference that was just a general observation and had nothing to do with your post. No need to get your panties in a twist.

Speed is speed. You don't need to see Trey against NFL competition to know he's one of the faster QBs in the league. He won't set the world on fire, but he's up there at least with Mahomes in that regard.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Daily math reminder:

11 on 11 offensive football > 10 on 11 offensive football.

And when we unlock this with Trey the league will be

On some of our plays this will be true. However, it wasn't like Shanahan wasn't already designing plays to do this in other ways. There's more than 1 way to do this, you don't have to have just a running QB.
We'll do it with a QB rollout off a wide zone - we've seen these passes where the QB will look to turn and rollout and that DE is sitting there waiting. The play may not go anywhere or may even be a negative, but it's showing that we are able to leave the backside DE unblocked as he's occupied by the rollout of the QB when we do run a wide zone - that's 11v11 without a running QB.

We've also run a bunch of zone reads with Jimmy in there and I've seen it more times than I can count where a DE or DT is frozen by Jimmy G on the fake. There's also blocking assignments where we'll use formations to make it so we don't have to block one guy on the field because he can't get in on the play. It doesn't always have to be 11v11, you can do things to make it 10v10 or 9v9.

I'm not saying that 11v11 with a running qb isn't an advantage - don't get me wrong. But I think we also need to understand that that part alone isn't going to be this unstoppable force. IF he can throw the ball like an elite player AND add that running ability, you'll see the offense explode. If he's a pretty good runner and a decent QB, then it's not quite going to be the crazy take off people are expecting. He's go to be very, very good at one and at least pretty darn good at the other.

This is completely true Jonny, and back to your normal level of posting IMO.

I think Trey is already an elite runner for a QB, I only have Lamar ahead if he's going to use his strength, if we're looking at being safe and not taking any contact he's below Kyler and maybe Fields.

We've discussed the pocket play ad nauseam, I know he'll keep working on this, not sure when it'll be at a level we're happy with, but I bet that it's this year.

On a side note I think that you should want Trey to get in sooner, I think it'll add another dimension to your You Tube stuff.

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Based on what? His clips from college against Division II caliber competition? In spite of what some of you may think I don't have any issues with Lance. I hope he is everything the team imagined he would be when they drafted him. I just think that Jimmy's greater experience playing the game at an NFL level should give him the edge as a starter for a team that wants to win now. What I do have an issue with is people assigning all of these "elite' characteristics to Lance when he has yet to even take a snap in an NFL game that matters. "Oh, he already reads defenses better than Jimmy", and we know this how? "Oh, he would have made that pass that Jimmy missed", again something that is completely unproveable in any world outside of statistical probability, which means it possesses a certain degree of possibility not that it is an actual fact. "Trey is already an elite runner for a QB" , based on what, a handful of pre-season snaps. Or the couple of runs he had through gaping holes in the defense. Lance may indeed prove that all of these things are true, but as of the moment he hasn't actually proved any of them are so why do people keep on presenting them as some kind of unassailable facts. It really is a head scratcher.

First, I didn't bring up Jimmy, it's not about Jimmy, I didn't even touch on the passing element.

I watched every single running and passing snap Lance took from college. Yes he played at a lower level of competition but the running ability jumps off the screen, he's balanced, can juke and has been clocked over 21 mph.

Granted he won't be trucking NFL LB's like he did in college, but you can just see how physically imposing he is. I don't want him to lower the shoulder, but he's clearly capable, would be happy with him using left handed stiff arms though.

There's nothing at all head scratching in my take.

It doesn't really matter if he's the 2nd best running QB in the league or the 10th anyway, he's clearly someone a DC will have to account for, and that's enough when discussing him as a runner.

Sorry, I just don't see how you can say that Lance is already an elite runner for a QB when he has yet to even compete at a serious NFL level against NFL quality players, who are going to be bigger, faster and stronger than most of the guys he faced in college. The NFL landscape is littered with college QBs who people thought were going to tear up the league and ended up out on the street after just a few years. What these guys did in college hardly seems to matter any more beyond how their best traits are able to transfer to the NFL and for that it seems to me that you have to see them play in games that count against opponents who don't have their best interests at heart and probably don't care about their press clippings. Like I said, I hope Lance is great. He just needs the opportunity to show he can be before I anoint him with all of the super human qualities that some posters already seem to have assigned to him. As to the Jimmy reference that was just a general observation and had nothing to do with your post. No need to get your panties in a twist.

It's just not hard to see that he's going to be an elite runner, he's fast, shifty and strong, what more do you need?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Daily math reminder:

11 on 11 offensive football > 10 on 11 offensive football.

And when we unlock this with Trey the league will be

On some of our plays this will be true. However, it wasn't like Shanahan wasn't already designing plays to do this in other ways. There's more than 1 way to do this, you don't have to have just a running QB.
We'll do it with a QB rollout off a wide zone - we've seen these passes where the QB will look to turn and rollout and that DE is sitting there waiting. The play may not go anywhere or may even be a negative, but it's showing that we are able to leave the backside DE unblocked as he's occupied by the rollout of the QB when we do run a wide zone - that's 11v11 without a running QB.

We've also run a bunch of zone reads with Jimmy in there and I've seen it more times than I can count where a DE or DT is frozen by Jimmy G on the fake. There's also blocking assignments where we'll use formations to make it so we don't have to block one guy on the field because he can't get in on the play. It doesn't always have to be 11v11, you can do things to make it 10v10 or 9v9.

I'm not saying that 11v11 with a running qb isn't an advantage - don't get me wrong. But I think we also need to understand that that part alone isn't going to be this unstoppable force. IF he can throw the ball like an elite player AND add that running ability, you'll see the offense explode. If he's a pretty good runner and a decent QB, then it's not quite going to be the crazy take off people are expecting. He's go to be very, very good at one and at least pretty darn good at the other.

This is completely true Jonny, and back to your normal level of posting IMO.

I think Trey is already an elite runner for a QB, I only have Lamar ahead if he's going to use his strength, if we're looking at being safe and not taking any contact he's below Kyler and maybe Fields.

We've discussed the pocket play ad nauseam, I know he'll keep working on this, not sure when it'll be at a level we're happy with, but I bet that it's this year.

On a side note I think that you should want Trey to get in sooner, I think it'll add another dimension to your You Tube stuff.

Based on what? His clips from college against Division II caliber competition? In spite of what some of you may think I don't have any issues with Lance. I hope he is everything the team imagined he would be when they drafted him. I just think that Jimmy's greater experience playing the game at an NFL level should give him the edge as a starter for a team that wants to win now. What I do have an issue with is people assigning all of these "elite' characteristics to Lance when he has yet to even take a snap in an NFL game that matters. "Oh, he already reads defenses better than Jimmy", and we know this how? "Oh, he would have made that pass that Jimmy missed", again something that is completely unproveable in any world outside of statistical probability, which means it possesses a certain degree of possibility not that it is an actual fact. "Trey is already an elite runner for a QB" , based on what, a handful of pre-season snaps. Or the couple of runs he had through gaping holes in the defense. Lance may indeed prove that all of these things are true, but as of the moment he hasn't actually proved any of them are so why do people keep on presenting them as some kind of unassailable facts. It really is a head scratcher.

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First, I didn't bring up Jimmy, it's not about Jimmy, I didn't even touch on the passing element.

I watched every single running and passing snap Lance took from college. Yes he played at a lower level of competition but the running ability jumps off the screen, he's balanced, can juke and has been clocked over 21 mph.

Granted he won't be trucking NFL LB's like he did in college, but you can just see how physically imposing he is. I don't want him to lower the shoulder, but he's clearly capable, would be happy with him using left handed stiff arms though.

There's nothing at all head scratching in my take.

It doesn't really matter if he's the 2nd best running QB in the league or the 10th anyway, he's clearly someone a DC will have to account for, and that's enough when discussing him as a runner.

Sorry, I just don't see how you can say that Lance is already an elite runner for a QB when he has yet to even compete at a serious NFL level against NFL quality players, who are going to be bigger, faster and stronger than most of the guys he faced in college. The NFL landscape is littered with college QBs who people thought were going to tear up the league and ended up out on the street after just a few years. What these guys did in college hardly seems to matter any more beyond how their best traits are able to transfer to the NFL and for that it seems to me that you have to see them play in games that count against opponents who don't have their best interests at heart and probably don't care about their press clippings. Like I said, I hope Lance is great. He just needs the opportunity to show he can be before I anoint him with all of the super human qualities that some posters already seem to have assigned to him. As to the Jimmy reference that was just a general observation and had nothing to do with your post. No need to get your panties in a twist.

It's just not hard to see that he's going to be an elite runner, he's fast, shifty and strong, what more do you need?

I need to see him do it against players who are going to be equally fast shifty and strong. There was a play Boss had against that Swiss Army Knife guy on New Orleans whose name escapes me at the moment...Oh, right Taysom Hill . He was running a QB roll out and Bosa, after being held by the NO lineman was still able to get close enough to the guy to lunge at him and trip him up with one hand before he got back to the line of scrimmage. Now that's elite. I need to see Lance do it against guys who aren't going to be driving Amazon delivery trucks in two years. I need to see him do it in games that matter and where the stakes are higher. I need to see him not lower his head and take an unnecessary hit like he did against the Raiders. But most of all I would just like to see people stop pretending that they know what qualities Lance's game may or may not possess without actually having the benefit of seeing him play against the level of competition at which he will be expected to compete. He may very well end up being all of the things that those people claim he will be but until he actually proves it all of that talk is just meaningless and is something that you can't possibly know at this point.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Anyone have stats on his completion percentage in college ? In this preseason it's not too good, but his explosive plays were great.

i was reading that Allen with the Bills upped his completion rate over 12% in year 2. I'm hoping that with proper coaching if this is an issue with Lance he gets better over time.

Finally was able to update my catchable ball (accuracy) chart with Mac Jones' data. I compared them to my database of 89 QBs and color-coded the results into quartiles. Green is top-25%, yellow 26-50%, orange is 51-75%, red is bottom 25%. Impressive numbers sans Lance (1/?) pic.twitter.com/Rz4ubm02GC

— Ian Wharton (@NFLFilmStudy) April 14, 2021

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That chart hurts. Thanks for posting !

I hear it's hard to drastically improve accuracy in the pros. It's why Mac Jones was wanted because of his accuracy, even though he can't throw the deep ball.

i don't think completion percentage is overrated because it moves the chains and provides more opportunities. Montana and Young and most top QBs were known for accuracy first.

Someone may have already beaten me to the punch but everyone will point out Josh Allen. Who is the best example of a QB with elite traits and terrible accuracy making a HUGE jump in his accuracy. It did take him to year 3 but if someone wants to work at it they can…it's definitely not the easiest thing to fix which is why I leaned towards Justin Fields in the draft process but clearly the coaching staff saw things they figured could be fixed with work. I'd be shocked if we made that trade and took Lance if they didn't have a strong belief he can correct those flaws. We know how impart accuracy is to Kyle's offense.

I do think it's funny that his best charted throws outside the obvious LOS ones were the so called throws the media argues he can't make cuz he rifles all those short passes.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Daily math reminder:

11 on 11 offensive football > 10 on 11 offensive football.

And when we unlock this with Trey the league will be

On some of our plays this will be true. However, it wasn't like Shanahan wasn't already designing plays to do this in other ways. There's more than 1 way to do this, you don't have to have just a running QB.
We'll do it with a QB rollout off a wide zone - we've seen these passes where the QB will look to turn and rollout and that DE is sitting there waiting. The play may not go anywhere or may even be a negative, but it's showing that we are able to leave the backside DE unblocked as he's occupied by the rollout of the QB when we do run a wide zone - that's 11v11 without a running QB.

We've also run a bunch of zone reads with Jimmy in there and I've seen it more times than I can count where a DE or DT is frozen by Jimmy G on the fake. There's also blocking assignments where we'll use formations to make it so we don't have to block one guy on the field because he can't get in on the play. It doesn't always have to be 11v11, you can do things to make it 10v10 or 9v9.

I'm not saying that 11v11 with a running qb isn't an advantage - don't get me wrong. But I think we also need to understand that that part alone isn't going to be this unstoppable force. IF he can throw the ball like an elite player AND add that running ability, you'll see the offense explode. If he's a pretty good runner and a decent QB, then it's not quite going to be the crazy take off people are expecting. He's go to be very, very good at one and at least pretty darn good at the other.

This is completely true Jonny, and back to your normal level of posting IMO.

I think Trey is already an elite runner for a QB, I only have Lamar ahead if he's going to use his strength, if we're looking at being safe and not taking any contact he's below Kyler and maybe Fields.

We've discussed the pocket play ad nauseam, I know he'll keep working on this, not sure when it'll be at a level we're happy with, but I bet that it's this year.

On a side note I think that you should want Trey to get in sooner, I think it'll add another dimension to your You Tube stuff.

Based on what? His clips from college against Division II caliber competition? In spite of what some of you may think I don't have any issues with Lance. I hope he is everything the team imagined he would be when they drafted him. I just think that Jimmy's greater experience playing the game at an NFL level should give him the edge as a starter for a team that wants to win now. What I do have an issue with is people assigning all of these "elite' characteristics to Lance when he has yet to even take a snap in an NFL game that matters. "Oh, he already reads defenses better than Jimmy", and we know this how? "Oh, he would have made that pass that Jimmy missed", again something that is completely unproveable in any world outside of statistical probability, which means it possesses a certain degree of possibility not that it is an actual fact. "Trey is already an elite runner for a QB" , based on what, a handful of pre-season snaps. Or the couple of runs he had through gaping holes in the defense. Lance may indeed prove that all of these things are true, but as of the moment he hasn't actually proved any of them are so why do people keep on presenting them as some kind of unassailable facts. It really is a head scratcher.

First, I didn't bring up Jimmy, it's not about Jimmy, I didn't even touch on the passing element.

I watched every single running and passing snap Lance took from college. Yes he played at a lower level of competition but the running ability jumps off the screen, he's balanced, can juke and has been clocked over 21 mph.

Granted he won't be trucking NFL LB's like he did in college, but you can just see how physically imposing he is. I don't want him to lower the shoulder, but he's clearly capable, would be happy with him using left handed stiff arms though.

There's nothing at all head scratching in my take.

It doesn't really matter if he's the 2nd best running QB in the league or the 10th anyway, he's clearly someone a DC will have to account for, and that's enough when discussing him as a runner.

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Sorry, I just don't see how you can say that Lance is already an elite runner for a QB when he has yet to even compete at a serious NFL level against NFL quality players, who are going to be bigger, faster and stronger than most of the guys he faced in college. The NFL landscape is littered with college QBs who people thought were going to tear up the league and ended up out on the street after just a few years. What these guys did in college hardly seems to matter any more beyond how their best traits are able to transfer to the NFL and for that it seems to me that you have to see them play in games that count against opponents who don't have their best interests at heart and probably don't care about their press clippings. Like I said, I hope Lance is great. He just needs the opportunity to show he can be before I anoint him with all of the super human qualities that some posters already seem to have assigned to him. As to the Jimmy reference that was just a general observation and had nothing to do with your post. No need to get your panties in a twist.

It's just not hard to see that he's going to be an elite runner, he's fast, shifty and strong, what more do you need?

I need to see him do it against players who are going to be equally fast shifty and strong. There was a play Boss had against that Swiss Army Knife guy on New Orleans whose name escapes me at the moment...Oh, right Taysom Hill . He was running a QB roll out and Bosa, after being held by the NO lineman was still able to get close enough to the guy to lunge at him and trip him up with one hand before he got back to the line of scrimmage. Now that's elite. I need to see Lance do it against guys who aren't going to be driving Amazon delivery trucks in two years. I need to see him do it in games that matter and where the stakes are higher. I need to see him not lower his head and take an unnecessary hit like he did against the Raiders. But most of all I would just like to see people stop pretending that they know what qualities Lance's game may or may not possess without actually having the benefit of seeing him play against the level of competition at which he will be expected to compete. He may very well end up being all of the things that those people claim he will be but until he actually proves it all of that talk is just meaningless and is something that you can't possibly know at this point.

I do understand that, but some things do translate and some just pop out, his rushing ability certainly does.

As I said earlier, it really doesn't matter if he's elite at it or not, the Defense will have to prepare for him.

If they don't then more fool them, because no matter how good a runner he is, he's fast enough to get chunk yards in a hurry.

21.56 mph is on GPS with pads on, not a 4.44 40 in shorts, no projection required there.

I think it's worth taking into consideration that even now Trey probably has better long ball accuracy than Jimmy G. A few long ball pass completions can make up for some misreads because of inexperience.

he'll be ready to go...shanahan just playing mindgames with opposing coach so they gameplan more for Jimmy G.

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Anyone have stats on his completion percentage in college ? In this preseason it's not too good, but his explosive plays were great.

i was reading that Allen with the Bills upped his completion rate over 12% in year 2. I'm hoping that with proper coaching if this is an issue with Lance he gets better over time.

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Finally was able to update my catchable ball (accuracy) chart with Mac Jones' data. I compared them to my database of 89 QBs and color-coded the results into quartiles. Green is top-25%, yellow 26-50%, orange is 51-75%, red is bottom 25%. Impressive numbers sans Lance (1/?) pic.twitter.com/Rz4ubm02GC

— Ian Wharton (@NFLFilmStudy) April 14, 2021

That chart hurts. Thanks for posting !

I hear it's hard to drastically improve accuracy in the pros. It's why Mac Jones was wanted because of his accuracy, even though he can't throw the deep ball.

i don't think completion percentage is overrated because it moves the chains and provides more opportunities. Montana and Young and most top QBs were known for accuracy first.

Someone may have already beaten me to the punch but everyone will point out Josh Allen. Who is the best example of a QB with elite traits and terrible accuracy making a HUGE jump in his accuracy. It did take him to year 3 but if someone wants to work at it they can…it's definitely not the easiest thing to fix which is why I leaned towards Justin Fields in the draft process but clearly the coaching staff saw things they figured could be fixed with work. I'd be shocked if we made that trade and took Lance if they didn't have a strong belief he can correct those flaws. We know how impart accuracy is to Kyle's offense.

I do think it's funny that his best charted throws outside the obvious LOS ones were the so called throws the media argues he can't make cuz he rifles all those short passes.

I believe the Bills receiving crew improved a bit also…

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Anyone have stats on his completion percentage in college ? In this preseason it's not too good, but his explosive plays were great.

i was reading that Allen with the Bills upped his completion rate over 12% in year 2. I'm hoping that with proper coaching if this is an issue with Lance he gets better over time.

Finally was able to update my catchable ball (accuracy) chart with Mac Jones' data. I compared them to my database of 89 QBs and color-coded the results into quartiles. Green is top-25%, yellow 26-50%, orange is 51-75%, red is bottom 25%. Impressive numbers sans Lance (1/?) pic.twitter.com/Rz4ubm02GC

— Ian Wharton (@NFLFilmStudy) April 14, 2021

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That chart hurts. Thanks for posting !

I hear it's hard to drastically improve accuracy in the pros. It's why Mac Jones was wanted because of his accuracy, even though he can't throw the deep ball.

i don't think completion percentage is overrated because it moves the chains and provides more opportunities. Montana and Young and most top QBs were known for accuracy first.

Someone may have already beaten me to the punch but everyone will point out Josh Allen. Who is the best example of a QB with elite traits and terrible accuracy making a HUGE jump in his accuracy. It did take him to year 3 but if someone wants to work at it they can…it's definitely not the easiest thing to fix which is why I leaned towards Justin Fields in the draft process but clearly the coaching staff saw things they figured could be fixed with work. I'd be shocked if we made that trade and took Lance if they didn't have a strong belief he can correct those flaws. We know how impart accuracy is to Kyle's offense.

I do think it's funny that his best charted throws outside the obvious LOS ones were the so called throws the media argues he can't make cuz he rifles all those short passes.

I believe the Bills receiving crew improved a bit also…

Stephon Diggs yes. However his mechanics and accuracy were clearly much improved.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
We need some redemption after this incident:

Russell Wilson ended up with a beautiful, sane, talented Sista and Kap ended up with Aldon Smith's crazy and racist sloppy seconds. That's the difference. Russell was comfortable being corny as hell while Kap had to prove to the world that he was still black.

I bought into this hype. I thought we had Montana and Marino pt 2 in the NFC West. But it wasn't meant to be. Kap wanted to be a civil rights hero more than he wanted to be a great QB. Jim Brown was both, but he was a great player before he fought the good fight.

Ah yes, tell us which Black folks to respect and which ones to not respect. Which Female is crazy and sloppy..

You make it seem like Ciara was a virgin when she met Russ.. get the f**k out of here with that extra s**t. That one of the good ones s**t... get the f**k out of here with that s**t.

Yall folks have internal problems... like serious issues.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Ah yes, tell us which Black folks to respect and which ones to not respect. Which Female is crazy and sloppy..

You make it seem like Ciara was a virgin when she met Russ.. get the f**k out of here with that extra s**t. That one of the good ones s**t... get the f**k out of here with that s**t.

Yall folks have internal problems... like serious issues.

Lol pretty much. Black woman supports BLM & social movements? Crazy & racist (?!). But that's just how some people are. Very disheartening but it's how they were raised & it's tough to change

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Ah yes, tell us which Black folks to respect and which ones to not respect. Which Female is crazy and sloppy..

You make it seem like Ciara was a virgin when she met Russ.. get the f**k out of here with that extra s**t. That one of the good ones s**t... get the f**k out of here with that s**t.

Yall folks have internal problems... like serious issues.

Kap Defense Force out in full effect.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Ah yes, tell us which Black folks to respect and which ones to not respect. Which Female is crazy and sloppy..

You make it seem like Ciara was a virgin when she met Russ.. get the f**k out of here with that extra s**t. That one of the good ones s**t... get the f**k out of here with that s**t.

Yall folks have internal problems... like serious issues.

Kap Defense Force out in full effect.

You think my post is mainly about Kap, than something more important than one individual?

Fitting, really.