Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That's OPI all day unless it's Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers throwing the ball.

OK, if those are the rules, we're just going to need a Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers. If Lance can be the first rookie to win a SB, we'll be most of the way there. I'm not saying start him, but Play him, a lot.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by evil:
JG threw for 381 yards and a TD VS Tennessee in 2017.

In 2019 he threw for 424 yards and 4 TDs VS AZ.

He also threw for 349 yards and 4 TDs VS the Saints that same year.

I think it's also the context of the stats. Dak threw short, medium, deep, inside, outside, etc. all with extreme accuracy.

And he has done this A LOT in his career. Jimmy lives off scheme & rac

All quarterbacks rely on their scheme and every single one will take yac yards unapologetically, especially in a Shanahan system. What you said is kinda silly.

Super cop out. Not everyone relies on YAC as much as Jimmy. For example, in 2019 he was... wait for it... FIRST in YAC per completion and 35th in intended air yards per attempt (among those with 150+ attempts). That is clearly not something every QB does. Clearly Jimmy relies upon short passes and YAC more than any starting QB in the NFL, as of 2019 anyway (although if his 140 pass attempts in 2020 were enough to qualify, he'd have been first again in YAC per completion and 34th in intended air yards per attempt.The thing fans refuse to see...) .

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing_advanced.htm

https://www.footballperspective.com/which-quarterbacks-are-getting-their-yards-through-the-air/

I would say Kyle calls plays to the strength of his QB. Jimmy isn't a downfield QB, not a strength of his. So scheme up some quick reads to get the play-makers out in space for YAC.

Jimmy imo is the definition of a system QB, he's not gonna create plays on his own, but can run the system (made for him) well enough overall to move the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I would say Kyle calls plays to the strength of his QB. Jimmy isn't a downfield QB, not a strength of his. So scheme up some quick reads to get the play-makers out in space for YAC.

Jimmy imo is the definition of a system QB, he's not gonna create plays on his own, but can run the system (made for him) well enough overall to move the ball.

Right. It's the QB that dictates the scheme.

But just so someone doesn't claim it's Shanahan, and that Jimmy would throw down the field more if the offense weren't the "WCO" (even though Kyle has specifically said it is not, and the fact that it doesn't even look like a real WCO), here's the Falcons YAC per completion in 2016 vs the 49ers YAC per completion in 2019:

2016 Falcons: 5.89

2019 49ers: 6.74
2020 49ers: 6.21

And while we're at it, here are some more Shanahan coached teams:

2014 Browns: 5.54
2009 Texans: 4.36
2008 Texans: 5.58
2012 Redskins: 5.89
2011 Redskins: 5.12
2015 Falcons: 4.34

Not even close.

It's not the scheme. It's the QB.

And the final nail in the coffin of this absurd argument that Jimmy is not why the 49ers scheme is so focused on short passes and YAC:

2017 49ers: 4.93

His scheme didn't "evolve" when he became the 49ers coach, as some have claimed. It evolved when he got Jimmy as his QB.

*All stats are simply YAC yards divided by completions, and each are found on the various team stats pages at ESPN.com.

I'm behind a few pages can someone catch me up to what everyone is b***hing about these last few pages? Cuz no way are we just excited to see Trey play tomorrow.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm behind a few pages can someone catch me up to what everyone is b***hing about these last few pages? Cuz no way are we just excited to see Trey play tomorrow.

Mostly arguing about what the definition of average is for a QB, and where Jimmy fits in the rankings. Mostly it's arguing about probably 5 spots on the QB ranking list. Yes, it really is this stupid, and no we can't help ourselves. And yes this is the Trey thread.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I would say Kyle calls plays to the strength of his QB. Jimmy isn't a downfield QB, not a strength of his. So scheme up some quick reads to get the play-makers out in space for YAC.

Jimmy imo is the definition of a system QB, he's not gonna create plays on his own, but can run the system (made for him) well enough overall to move the ball.

Right. It's the QB that dictates the scheme.

But just so someone doesn't claim it's Shanahan, and that Jimmy would throw down the field more if the offense weren't the "WCO" (even though Kyle has specifically said it is not, and the fact that it doesn't even look like a real WCO), here's the Falcons YAC per completion in 2016 vs the 49ers YAC per completion in 2019:

2016 Falcons: 5.89

2019 49ers: 6.74
2020 49ers: 6.21

And while we're at it, here are some more Shanahan coached teams:

2014 Browns: 5.54
2009 Texans: 4.36
2008 Texans: 5.58
2012 Redskins: 5.89
2011 Redskins: 5.12
2015 Falcons: 4.34

Not even close.

It's not the scheme. It's the QB.

And the final nail in the coffin of this absurd argument that Jimmy is not why the 49ers scheme is so focused on short passes and YAC:

2017 49ers: 4.93

His scheme didn't "evolve" when he became the 49ers coach, as some have claimed. It evolved when he got Jimmy as his QB.

*All stats are simply YAC yards divided by completions, and each are found on the various team stats pages at ESPN.com.

All the stats in the world yet overlooking that you are showing a bunch of 1 year sample sizes with Kyle as OC and little to no influence over the players he had VS a couple years of sample size where Kyle is HC and has been able to build and mold this team over time the way he sees fit.

So yeah, there should be noticeable differences given they were all different situations with different paint brushes and paint colors and different canvas sizes to paint these pictures he painted.

I don't even know why Kyle is starting JG. I mean you guys have posted a million takes and a zillion stats to show JG is the suxorz.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by evil:
JG threw for 381 yards and a TD VS Tennessee in 2017.

In 2019 he threw for 424 yards and 4 TDs VS AZ.

He also threw for 349 yards and 4 TDs VS the Saints that same year.

I think it's also the context of the stats. Dak threw short, medium, deep, inside, outside, etc. all with extreme accuracy.

And he has done this A LOT in his career. Jimmy lives off scheme & rac

All quarterbacks rely on their scheme and every single one will take yac yards unapologetically, especially in a Shanahan system. What you said is kinda silly.

Facts

People use this word to loosely lol.

Bc not all QBs rely on scheme. You can put guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Mahommes, Allen, etc in many different NFL schemes (not some gimmick GA Tech bs) and they would be successful. Many obviously do, however there are exceptions. Hence it's not a fact.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I would say Kyle calls plays to the strength of his QB. Jimmy isn't a downfield QB, not a strength of his. So scheme up some quick reads to get the play-makers out in space for YAC.

Jimmy imo is the definition of a system QB, he's not gonna create plays on his own, but can run the system (made for him) well enough overall to move the ball.

Right. It's the QB that dictates the scheme.

But just so someone doesn't claim it's Shanahan, and that Jimmy would throw down the field more if the offense weren't the "WCO" (even though Kyle has specifically said it is not, and the fact that it doesn't even look like a real WCO), here's the Falcons YAC per completion in 2016 vs the 49ers YAC per completion in 2019:

2016 Falcons: 5.89

2019 49ers: 6.74
2020 49ers: 6.21

And while we're at it, here are some more Shanahan coached teams:

2014 Browns: 5.54
2009 Texans: 4.36
2008 Texans: 5.58
2012 Redskins: 5.89
2011 Redskins: 5.12
2015 Falcons: 4.34

Not even close.

It's not the scheme. It's the QB.

And the final nail in the coffin of this absurd argument that Jimmy is not why the 49ers scheme is so focused on short passes and YAC:

2017 49ers: 4.93

His scheme didn't "evolve" when he became the 49ers coach, as some have claimed. It evolved when he got Jimmy as his QB.

*All stats are simply YAC yards divided by completions, and each are found on the various team stats pages at ESPN.com.

All the stats in the world yet overlooking that you are showing a bunch of 1 year sample sizes with Kyle as OC and little to no influence over the players he had VS a couple years of sample size where Kyle is HC and has been able to build and mold this team over time the way he sees fit.

So yeah, there should be noticeable differences given they were all different situations with different paint brushes and paint colors and different canvas sizes to paint these pictures he painted.

I don't even know why Kyle is starting JG. I mean you guys have posted a million takes and a zillion stats to show JG is the suxorz.

The trend is pretty consistent. Until he got Jimmy for an offseason, YAC per completion was always under 6. But look, you'll get served some delicious crow in a couple of years when the offense is more vertical with Trey as the QB. I hope you enjoy it.

BTW, no one is saying Jimmy sucks. Jimmy is simply limited to a certain type of attack. You can't attack the entire field with him. That's it. He's fairly good at the quick game as well, which certainly contributes to the trend.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The trend is pretty consistent. Until he got Jimmy for an offseason, YAC per completion was always under 6. But look, you'll get served some delicious crow in a couple of years when the offense is more vertical with Trey as the QB. I hope you enjoy it.

BTW, no one is saying Jimmy sucks. Jimmy is simply limited to a certain type of attack. You can't attack the entire field with him. That's it. He's fairly good at the quick game as well, which certainly contributes to the trend.

One cannot eat crow when one fully expects some differences between the offense under Trey and JG. Kyle will play to his players strengths.

The trend isn't exactly comparing red apples to red apples. Some of those situations had green apples, some had oranges etc. Before SF he had to paint without his own paint supplies, now he paints with his chosen supplies.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

He had a point. Dak Prescott is great if all you care about is Fantasy points.

The game last night that Zeke had what 20 yards. And then the defense and a holding called costed him the game along with a kicker who missed a lay up. But yeah Daks just for fantasy points.

hes getting paid 40 million + and is one of the highest paid QBs in the league despite a garbage resume and coming back from major leg surgery so he needs to make the plays to win the game at the end of the day. dallas def and tb def were both trash. there are no excuses.

if jimmy had his game stats and we lost you and other pseudofans on his forum would clamoring that Jimmy G sucked and was responsible for losing.

But Dak did make the plays at the end of the game to put his team up. Did you want him to play cornerback too?

Dallas defense got Tom Bradied.

To be fair the defender appears to be grabbing the WR.

Screen shots shouldn't be a thing

Should this have been OPI?
pic.twitter.com/fdDJ7shq6C

— PFF (@PFF) September 10, 2021

That's OPI all day unless it's Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers throwing the ball.

yup just look at kittle OPI in the superbowl.. FUUKKK

"Screenshots shouldn't be a thing", then proceeds to show the play in slow motion, as if that's how refs watch a game lol

I didn't think it was OPI watching it live. I guess the refs thought the same. It's too ticky-tacky to call. I wish the SB refs would have done the same.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey Lance thinks he's slick. pic.twitter.com/ZLV202Oq3v

— Big CROCKY⚡️ (@eric_crocker) September 11, 2021

That's one way to get your reps in.