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Originally posted by TonyStarks:
it's a LOOOOOONG season. If you look at last years' week one roster compared to last years final game roster, there are a boatload of changes. Maybe you foos will get your wish and see Lance on the field soon enough . IMO he is nowhere near as Super Bowl ready just yet. He looked nervous as he should be, but with enough baby reps he'll be legit. These NFL players are elite. Speed, power is doubled on defense from what he's used to seeing.

Ideally Jimmy doesn't s**t the bed or get hurt and he can safely learn.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
it's a LOOOOOONG season. If you look at last years' week one roster compared to last years final game roster, there are a boatload of changes. Maybe you foos will get your wish and see Lance on the field soon enough . IMO he is nowhere near as Super Bowl ready just yet. He looked nervous as he should be, but with enough baby reps he'll be legit. These NFL players are elite. Speed, power is doubled on defense from what he's used to seeing.

Ideally Jimmy doesn't s**t the bed or get hurt and he can safely learn.

Jimmy has always been a solid to good qb when hes healthy

when he isnt healthy thats the issue. I think hes healthy now so we will be fine
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.
I'm hoping shanny throws out QB runs for Trey. Let him live in the pocket.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

imagine fans b***hing after scoring the most points in the nfl after week 1
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

Imagine thinking Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
What gives me confidence is his entire body of work. Those playoff games, there was no need to throw the ball. Why give you opponent any opening? It's not just a pick. Your line could let a guy through unblocked and get your qb killed, strip sack, receiver could have it bounce off his hands for a pick(happened 3 times that year).

They were averaging like 7 yard a carry and our D was suffocating both teams. Chew the clock, mitigate any risk and get to the SB. Don't know why that's so crazy to understand.

I've been over all the other great running performances and shows they were all competitive games, that's why the qb's threw more. We blew both teams out.

Jimmy is like 6-1 for game winning drives. I'll trust a guy who has proven that many times to deliver in the playoffs than a rookie who hasn't hardly played in 500 days.

Thank you for being mature and answering the question without getting defensive JD. I understand the reservations on the kid and his inexperience, but wasn't 2019 Jimmy's first full season as a starter too? I guess I have a harder time knocking someone for lacking a body of work when he hasn't had the chance to have a body of work to knock yet.

You're completely missing my point about the playoffs. You don't need to explain all that to me lol. I just think that Trey can also get us to the SB, not only the playoffs, if his route to the SB is the same as the one Jimmy had to get through in 2019. That route and game plan consisting of a heavily reliant run game and defense.

Kyle has said this in the past, his game plan going in to those games wasn't heavily reliant on the run - it was aiming for balance but he changed it up during the game because the run game was rocking so well and the defense was dominant. I really don't believe it had anything to do with Jimmy G. That being said, I doubt our path to the SB is going to be the same. We know that Jimmy G's arm and our run game can be incredibly productive. One of the best in the league.
In 2019 we were 2nd in points scored, 4th in yards gained, 5th in yards per play.

All this while being 19th in offensive plays ran - so let's just put to bed the idea that the defense was giving the offense so many more plays as the reason why we had such a good offense.

So, stopping our offense is no easy task when we have a good scheme tied in with a quarterback who can run the passing offense well. We've all seen how non-effective the offense can be if we don't have a qb running it efficiently or turning the ball over.
Again - to bring it back home. I see zero reason to want to move to Trey and I haven't seen anything that would suggest that this season he'd be able to lead an efficient passing game that ties into the run game.
I get that he'll bring more to the run game, but we need him to be an efficient passer more than we need his added ability in the run game. Even if you believe one to be equal to the other, the sum of the total is lesser than the parts.
An efficient passing game married to our wide zone is incredibly, incredibly effective. Having an explosive zone-read+wide zone with a less efficient passing game isn't going to be as effective against the top teams, IMO.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

Imagine this team next year when Jimmy's salary could in principle buy us two Pro-Bowl caliber cornerbacks, while the offense can attack more of the field and the running game is harder to defend.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

Imagine this team next year when Jimmy's salary could in principle buy us two Pro-Bowl caliber cornerbacks, while the offense can attack more of the field and the running game is harder to defend.

And who would these pro bowl corners be? There aint a single pro bowl corner, who'll be on the right side of 31 available next off-season. You gonna give a multi-year, big guaranteed contract to Chris Harris or Joe Haden or Patrick Peterson? Gilmore will be 33 next season and Kyle Fuller 31 - if he even makes it to FA.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency/
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

And then Nick Mullens or Nate Sudfeld as the starting QB by week 5.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

And then Nick Mullens or Nate Sudfeld as the starting QB by week 5.

not with slater
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

Imagine this team next year when Jimmy's salary could in principle buy us two Pro-Bowl caliber cornerbacks, while the offense can attack more of the field and the running game is harder to defend.

And who would these pro bowl corners be? There aint a single pro bowl corner, who'll be on the right side of 31 available next off-season. You gonna give a multi-year, big guaranteed contract to Chris Harris or Joe Haden or Patrick Peterson? Gilmore will be 33 next season and Kyle Fuller 31 - if he even makes it to FA.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency/

Point is there will be 27 million dollars extra.

MANY of those players would greatly help this team, and surely some of them will be available.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Sep 15, 2021 at 2:45 PM ]
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Imagine this team with slater and Samuel and two extra first rounders and a 3rd.

It's unbelievable.

Lol
Originally posted by jonnydel:
All this while being 19th in offensive plays ran - so let's just put to bed the idea that the defense was giving the offense so many more plays as the reason why we had such a good offense.

Doesn't really address that though. I'd need to literally see the amount of plays other teams ran and their time of possession to really clue me in on how well the defense did in having the offense get the ball.

As you know,...a drive can be 5 plays or 15 plays, which can really throw those #s you mentioned out of whack, yet not give me a clue how well the defense did in getting me the ball back throughout.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
All this while being 19th in offensive plays ran - so let's just put to bed the idea that the defense was giving the offense so many more plays as the reason why we had such a good offense.

Doesn't really address that though. I'd need to literally see the amount of plays other teams ran and their time of possession to really clue me in on how well the defense did in having the offense get the ball.

As you know,...a drive can be 5 plays or 15 plays, which can really throw those #s you mentioned out of whack, yet not give me a clue how well the defense did in getting me the ball back throughout.

That's where Yards per play and total yards would come in....which I mentioned but you deleted.....
If a team were scoring points because the defense was giving them short fields or constantly getting the ball back you would expect them to be tops in plays ran, lower in yards per play and lower in total yards.
That's not the case. Lower in plays ran, higher in yards per play and tops in total yards along with tops in points would show that the offense was productive as a product unto itself.

Again, all those stats were posted but you deleted.......
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