Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Depends how much Kyle really believes in Trey... The Eagles (imo, made a mistake) traded away Nick Foles to stick with Wentz... even a season after Foles helped them finally win their 1st Super Bowl. Wentz was inconsistent before that trade, but the Eagles felt they had to make that decision.

NY brought up cap reasons to move on from Jimmy.... but also, if we get a great deal for Jimmy... we should do it. He isn't going to be here in two years....because if he is, that is because the team wants to invest in him long term... but with Jimmy, you have to take durability into consideration. So I don't see any scenario where we stick with Jimmy long term... regardless of MVP play.

So if you trade Jimmy after he wins a Super Bowl... you'll most likely get a great deal (Draft picks) + Cap space to use for our stars.

The downside to that is you are risking missing out on another potential Super Bowl.

The good thing is, before we really debate it (and waste time on it)... we can just wait until the season is over and ACTUALLY SEE if he does have a MVP season + Super Bowl ring. We'll get a good indicator in these next few months going against mostly good teams.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Can't believe Lance didn't get a single snap yesterday. Jimmy was average at best and was atrocious in the first quarter and a half.

Tim K explained it well. there was no room for any mistakes in this game so Kyle went with experience over the unknown

Sometimes it works out just fine when you play not to lose (especially when you do not actually lose): https://t.co/2KXTA9J25K

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) September 20, 2021

I get that thinking. I'd counter with - maybe that's when you need to put him to jump-start the offense. I agree with the headline though - we played not to lose and it worked this time. Usually it's tough to win this way. I think the whole team was sleeping in the first half - which isn't a shock considering we were playing at 1pm on the East Coast. I think the red-zone stand woke the team up.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Depends how much Kyle really believes in Trey... The Eagles (imo, made a mistake) traded away Nick Foles to stick with Wentz... even a season after Foles helped them finally win their 1st Super Bowl. Wentz was inconsistent before that trade, but the Eagles felt they had to make that decision.

NY brought up cap reasons to move on from Jimmy.... but also, if we get a great deal for Jimmy... we should do it. He isn't going to be here in two years....because if he is, that is because the team wants to invest in him long term... but with Jimmy, you have to take durability into consideration. So I don't see any scenario where we stick with Jimmy long term... regardless of MVP play.

So if you trade Jimmy after he wins a Super Bowl... you'll most likely get a great deal (Draft picks) + Cap space to use for our stars.

The downside to that is you are risking missing out on another potential Super Bowl.

The good thing is, before we really debate it (and waste time on it)... we can just wait until the season is over and ACTUALLY SEE if he does have a MVP season + Super Bowl ring. We'll get a good indicator in these next few months going against mostly good teams.

Well if Jimmy balls out like that, that means Trey doesn't play, so hard to say how much Kyle would believe in him, only seeing him in practice. Let's hope this or something similar happens, as it would be a good problem to have.

Personally I think even if Jimmy did all of that, they would still trade him (assuming Jed signed off on it). Kyle and Lynch hitched their wagon to Trey when they did that trade, regardless of Jimmy's success. If Jimmy keeps winning and Trey is sitting, and Jed has to keep paying Jimmy - that won't be a good luck for Kyle and Lynch.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

In this extremely hypothetical situation context would still be key.

If Jimmy becomes Tom Brady 2.0 out of nowhere and is the main reason we win the Super Bowl… I'm still not bringing him back because IMO he'd be more valuable to this team via trade capital. Because in this scenario the league would view Jimmy G 100% differently then they do now and because we've already heavily invested in Trey Lance, we could have our cake and eat it too if Lance continues to develop.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

In this extremely hypothetical situation context would still be key.

If Jimmy becomes Tom Brady 2.0 out of nowhere and is the main reason we win the Super Bowl… I'm still not bringing him back because IMO he'd be more valuable to this team via trade capital. Because in this scenario the league would view Jimmy G 100% differently then they do now and because we've already heavily invested in Trey Lance, we could have our cake and eat it too if Lance continues to develop.

if Lance isn't that guy and we don't know if he his, Kyle and FO would be evicerated by fans and the media for letting a player who took the team to two Super Bowls get away.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

Jed has specifically said he's ok paying Jimmy's salary for the 2022 season. so there's been discussions about Jimmy still being on the roster past this season.

if the Niners win the Super Bowl and Jimmy was instrumental in the run, it'll be very very hard to just trade him or let him walk.

It would be Shanahan betting his job Lance would not be a bust and could lead the 49ers to the playoffs in his first year.

It would be a fun problem to have.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Yes, unless we witness some dramatic turn around. Jimmy is averaging one of the lowest ADoTs in the league right now and the offense is designed around not asking him to do a lot relative to other QBs. It's difficult to win MVP like that. He's arguably not even our offensive MVP so far (Deebo).

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Yes, unless we witness some dramatic turn around. Jimmy is averaging one of the lowest ADoTs in the league right now and the offense is designed around not asking him to do a lot relative to other QBs. It's difficult to win MVP like that. He's arguably not even our offensive MVP so far (Deebo).

without Jimmy, we lose.. that is the def of MVP

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
In this extremely hypothetical situation context would still be key.

If Jimmy becomes Tom Brady 2.0 out of nowhere and is the main reason we win the Super Bowl… I'm still not bringing him back because IMO he'd be more valuable to this team via trade capital. Because in this scenario the league would view Jimmy G 100% differently then they do now and because we've already heavily invested in Trey Lance, we could have our cake and eat it too if Lance continues to develop.

if Lance isn't that guy and we don't know if he his, Kyle and FO would be evicerated by fans and the media for letting a player who took the team to two Super Bowls get away.

I don't care what the media or fans think I want what's best for the team and so should you.

I see it more as a Joe Flacco scenario where trading him after the Super Bowl clearly would have been a better move but in this case Lamar Jackson is already on the roster meaning it's a no brainer.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Yes, unless we witness some dramatic turn around. Jimmy is averaging one of the lowest ADoTs in the league right now and the offense is designed around not asking him to do a lot relative to other QBs. It's difficult to win MVP like that. He's arguably not even our offensive MVP so far (Deebo).

without Jimmy, we lose.. that is the def of MVP

There is absolutely no way you can prove this. 100% conjecture.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Yes, unless we witness some dramatic turn around. Jimmy is averaging one of the lowest ADoTs in the league right now and the offense is designed around not asking him to do a lot relative to other QBs. It's difficult to win MVP like that. He's arguably not even our offensive MVP so far (Deebo).

without Jimmy, we lose.. that is the def of MVP

There is absolutely no way you can prove this. 100% conjecture.

If only there were records of the 49ers with Jimmy G and without him over the same time period we could prove this, but alas, these records do not exist.

The bottom line is the FO has put themselves in a situation where everything hinges on Lance.
He 100% has to start next year. It will be sink or swim and we are all along for that ride.
I think they screwed everything up and instead of strengthening a roster who was a quarter away from a super bowl victory, they put all their eggs in the basket of a kid who hasnt played high level football, and no football at all 4 out of the last 5 years.
I think the plan was for him to come in and gradually outplay JG, but he is much farther away from that than Kyle expected. I think he gave him that TD call in the Lions game to give the fans something positive before shelving him for the year, outside of mop up duty.
So, Jimmy gets to try and win a super bowl this year then it all falls on Trey. They will need JGs 26 million salary to sign a few starters, because they struck out on the early picks this year and have no 1sts for the next 2 drafts.