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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by TheWooLick:Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
Haven't you heard? We got him bc we needed a backup. Jimmy is gonna be here for a long time.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
18 to 24 month baking is fine if he develops into a composed decisive multi processing pocket passer. No problem at all waiting a couple years for the trey lance era. Not sure why all the hoo ha.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ritz126:
If Lance cant develop on the practice field he was never going to make it in the NFL
What practice field lol? A rookie at TC after a yr off of football? Please give me a break. Even Kyle said Lance was further along then he originally thought he would be during the off season.
People talking about in season practice like it's some meaningful thing are full of it. They're not splitting reps and getting snaps with the starters. That goes to the starter. Period.
all he's doing is watching film, training, being a scout QB and practicing any "packages" Kyle has for him.
again people want him to develop yet don't want him to actually play football in order to develop. So stupid.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
You posted many times that Lance was more pro ready than Jones. You said he operated out of a pro ready offense, and he would be ready to go, even more so than Jones. That clearly isn't the case,, and now you're backpedaling. Don't make me go back looking for your posts
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Player development improves the most by playing…this team accepted the idea that a loss or two might happen if he plays….that's part of the process and fans need to be okay with it
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
You posted many times that Lance was more pro ready than Jones. You said he operated out of a pro ready offense, and he would be ready to go, even more so than Jones. That clearly isn't the case,, and now you're backpedaling. Don't make me go back looking for your posts
we keep receipts around here.
i have had to eat some crow in the last decade.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exactly. He needs to learn how to study NFL defenses on film. That has zero to do with playing, he should be preparing and sitting in the room prepping like he is starting.
He needs to work on his footwork within THIS offense. That doesn't come by playing. That comes through practicing it 1000x and then playing.
He's not going to get the live reps of practice but those 2 things are huge for his development.
What you don't think he's done that? Everything we've read/heard on this kid is he's a film junkie…you can watch all the film you want, doesn't mean anything until you actually have to do it. You learn mostly by doing, not watching it on a TV. This kid hasn't had a chance to play much football at all…he's gotta play at some point. That's what he's missing.
how do you practice it when you don't take the reps with THIS team to begin with? The starters get most of the reps in season during practice. He was literally the scout team QB this past week.
his mechanics improve the most during the off season with a QB guru and on his own. The team at this point is all about winning and installing the weekly play book vs working on Lance's feet all week. I mean why do you think kyle wanted him to work with Beck/Avery during that 40 day period before TC? He wants you to do that and come in ready to learn the playbook. Kyle said he knows the playbook already.
look I get it, ya'll want Jimmy and that's fine…he knows the playbook and has NFL starts. I'm fine with him starting. Lance will need live in the pocket reps at some point this yr though. It's a process and that most certainly is part of it…this team committed to that process the moment they trade up for him and the fan base needs to be on board with that as well.
"Just in preparation, the mental side of the game, I definitely benefited," Mahomes said. "Being able to watch how teams made adjustments, and then how we made adjustments to the defense, how we'd figure out what blitzes they were bringing, how to protect them, it definitely helped me in the game [against the Chargers]. It's knowing how to operate the huddle, and then being able to go out there and execute the game plan how it's supposed to be run."
Playing the scout-team quarterback in practice really helped develop my game. When we were playing the Jets, with Josh McCown, I'd have to throw a lot of deep balls. Tyrod Taylor with the Bills, you'd have to scramble around a lot. With Tom Brady, it was about dissecting the defense. You go through other offenses, and you make them into your own, and try to make it relate to your offense. I had to do stuff I wasn't comfortable with, and see what I liked and what I didn't like.
Coach Reid is a great teacher. He understands how people learn, understands how to get people to get the concept of what the play is and why we're running it. It helped me a ton being able to know exactly what I need to do and what I need to look for on every play.
Alex showed me how to make the reads easier so I can process faster and play faster. You look at coverages, and you learn how to eliminate things. Alex had seen and studied so much, and he was very helpful about showing me what he saw, so when I got out there I could put the ball in the right place and make the play work. In the Denver game he was helping me every single time I went to the sideline. We'd get on that tablet and we'd look at the plays, and he would help me identify how they were blitzing by how they were lining up with their fronts, and who was coming, and if this guy came, where I was supposed to put the ball.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Forget the fans for a moment. What makes you think Shanahan is willing to trade wins for development?
The moment he spent 3 1st rd picks on a 20 yr old QB with 300 passing attempts.
and yes fans will have to accept it…that's part of the process.
You posted many times that Lance was more pro ready than Jones. You said he operated out of a pro ready offense, and he would be ready to go, even more so than Jones. That clearly isn't the case,, and now you're backpedaling. Don't make me go back looking for your posts
Originally posted by dhp318:Why? Two of the 5 first round picks by this regime were complete busts. Nothing's guaranteed. This team is locked and loaded and ready to compete for 6. No one has the patience to deal with a Zack Wilson-type game every now and then. These guys won't be good until next season. There's no definitive evidence that playing a rookie season makes you a better QB than sitting for a year and learning while getting some spot duty.
Glad you've finally come to this conclusion too
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
70% of the Pats passing offense right now is screens or short/underneath 1st reads. I wouldn't say Mac is running a legit 'pro' offense.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by dhp318:Why? Two of the 5 first round picks by this regime were complete busts. Nothing's guaranteed. This team is locked and loaded and ready to compete for 6. No one has the patience to deal with a Zack Wilson-type game every now and then. These guys won't be good until next season. There's no definitive evidence that playing a rookie season makes you a better QB than sitting for a year and learning while getting some spot duty.
Glad you've finally come to this conclusion too