Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
And how many of those 33 had a starter anywhere close to being equal with jimmy G in front of them?
Mahomes started because the Chiefs were resting starters
Phillip Rivers didn't start until his 33rd game after Brees got hurt(probably the closest example considering this was before Brees was really Brees)

Jones had Eli, jackson had Flacco, a couple had Taylor, those are some off the top of my head…if those teams wanted better bridge QBs they could have paid for one all the same. No team is "forced" to start a rookie, most realize playing is one of the main ways to develop.

-Eli started and was pulled for performance or lack thereof.

-Flacco was the starter and lost the job d/t injury.

-Taylor was the starter in both Cleveland and LA and ceded his spot d/t injury.

If it wasn't for injury in 3 out of those 4 cases we might not have seen the rookie in year one.

There is no right or wrong way between sitting them or starting them as the method to develop a rookie QB. Both philosophies have had successes and failures and each situation is always going to be a little different and unique.

Not a single post has shown that method A is better than method B or vice versa. Kyle has made his decision and we seemingly have fans who don't trust his decision and seemingly know better despite being on the outside looking in.

Originally posted by boast:
Josh Allen went 5-6 in starts his rookie year. Kyle's not about to risk it if it doesnt have to.

We wouldn't be risking anything by giving Lance some valuable playing time.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by boast:
Josh Allen went 5-6 in starts his rookie year. Kyle's not about to risk it if it doesnt have to.

We wouldn't be risking anything by giving Lance some valuable playing time.

Other than wins and losses?

Unless it's a nice lead going into the 2nd half he shouldn't see a snap again this season.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Glad you've finally come to this conclusion too

Why? Two of the 5 first round picks by this regime were complete busts. Nothing's guaranteed. This team is locked and loaded and ready to compete for 6. No one has the patience to deal with a Zack Wilson-type game every now and then. These guys won't be good until next season. There's no definitive evidence that playing a rookie season makes you a better QB than sitting for a year and learning while getting some spot duty.

Correct. Just like there is no definitive evidence that sitting your rookie season makes you a better QB than playing a rookie season.

But there are lots of examples of good coaches doing it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Peyton manning was a complete prospect that lacked nfl reps

this isnt the case with Lance he doesn't just need nfl reps he needs to work on his fundamentals

Josh Allen's fundamentals were worse then Lance's and he started, learned, and now is one of the highest paid QBs in the league.

He went 5-6. This is a team in a SB window.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by boast:
Josh Allen went 5-6 in starts his rookie year. Kyle's not about to risk it if it doesnt have to.

We wouldn't be risking anything by giving Lance some valuable playing time.

Other than wins and losses?

Unless it's a nice lead going into the 2nd half he shouldn't see a snap again this season.

That's what I'm referring too. I don't expect him to get any playing time when the game Is tight, like against the Eagles for example. Hopefully we'll have a big lead against the Packers, so we'll get to see more of him.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
Peyton manning was a complete prospect that lacked nfl reps

this isnt the case with Lance he doesn't just need nfl reps he needs to work on his fundamentals

Josh Allen's fundamentals were worse then Lance's and he started, learned, and now is one of the highest paid QBs in the league.

He went 5-6. This is a team in a SB window.

If the team is truly in a super bowl window then we have a super bowl roster around the QB.

Which the Bills clearly didn't have.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

still holding out hope i see

We'll see boast

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

and most importantly ...a head coach's decision.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

and most importantly ...a head coach's decision.

Which again is why I'm interested to see if he has any snaps on Sunday, as I view GB's D more in line with DET as opposed to PHI.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

and most importantly ...a head coach's decision.

Which again is why I'm interested to see if he has any snaps on Sunday, as I view GB's D more in line with DET as opposed to PHI.

Do you think that a few snaps in a game or few could change Kyle's mind even if JG stays healthy and we are winning?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

and most importantly ...a head coach's decision.

Which again is why I'm interested to see if he has any snaps on Sunday, as I view GB's D more in line with DET as opposed to PHI.

Do you think that a few snaps in a game or few could change Kyle's mind even if JG stays healthy and we are winning?

The only case of when a starting QB was playing well and was benched was last year. When Fitzmagic was benched for Tua. That made no sense to me. It has happened, but Jimmy is a better QB that Fitz I think.

There's probably a few other cases, but that's all I can think of for now.

Just watch and soak up the knowledge rookie!

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There really isn't any hard evidence to support whether a qb is better developed by sitting his rookie year or starting his rookie year. All I know is unless Jimmy completely lays a stinker of a game or gets injured, Trey will not be starting this year.

First sentence is correct based on evidence. The second sentence is an opinion.

In regards to my second statement, what evidence have you seen that would convince you otherwise?

The only evidence is 4 snaps against a bottom 5 defense and 0 snaps against a good, possibly top-5 defense.

and most importantly ...a head coach's decision.

Which again is why I'm interested to see if he has any snaps on Sunday, as I view GB's D more in line with DET as opposed to PHI.

Do you think that a few snaps in a game or few could change Kyle's mind even if JG stays healthy and we are winning?

The only case of when a starting QB was playing well and was benched was last year. When Fitzmagic was benched for Tua. That made no sense to me. It has happened, but Jimmy is a better QB that Fitz I think.

it was a terrible decision by the Dolphins and likely cost them a wild card seeding.