Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Very few great quarterbacks can come in as a rookie and do well(Manning, Marino,Elway, maybe Russ Wilson). Most end up on the worst teams and have no choice to get thrown out there to try to give fans hope.

We have the luxury of letting him learn and spot play just like Mahomes, Rodgers, and Montana.

Jimmy will probably break down at some point this year, so Lance will get his chance.

See I still don't get the they don't have a choice but to play them? If the best possible way for a QB to be successful was to sit them for a yr, every single team would do that…even the bad ones.

Teams need to fabricate hype. Hence the stupidity.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

No no I was told the best way to develop a QB is by putting him on the bench for his first yr…if a team isn't playing for anything anyway (and that high end drafted QB is the future) then not one single team would start their rookie yr one. Not one.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Teams need to fabricate hype. Hence the stupidity.

Teams need their young QB to be great above anything else and if sitting them is the best option (which I've been told that it is) then no team would start their high draft pick QB. It's a simple as that.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Much harder to keep a guy on the bench when the team sucks than to store him.

Not sure why everyone is trying to make this so difficult (not saying you are), if the best way to have a QB develop and succeed is to sit him for a yr, then every single team would do that yr 1. They would sign a bridge or play whoever is the QB currently, especially if the team blows already.

nothing is more important than getting the QB position right and no team is gonna mess that up for hype or whatever people in here think they start for.

End of the day players get better by playing football, if Lance can't run the offense that kyle wants to run yet (isn't confident in his reads) then fine…he's not gonna get marginally better playing scout QB and riding the bench though and I hope people realize this when he starts next yr…it's a process and part of that process is him playing football which will have ups & downs in his early career….not everyone is Mahomes.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That's probably one of the reasons he didn't get snaps against the Eagles. You can't put him into the game when the offense is struggling or else it'll invite controversy.

I think this is right. It seems weird that Shanahan would put Trey in when JG has the offense clicking along but I think Shanahan has decided that putting Trey in when the offense with JG as QB is struggling would definitely "invite controversy" and likely a lot of it. If Trey does well in that situation then there will be a lot of people calling to ditch JG and go with Trey. If Trey does badly when the offense is already struggling then a lot of people will say it was a dumb idea to put Trey in and he should have just let JG work his way through it. There are pitfalls no matter what Shanahan does with JG and Trey but giving Trey playing time when the offense is already humming along probably has fewer pits to fall into.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That's probably one of the reasons he didn't get snaps against the Eagles. You can't put him into the game when the offense is struggling or else it'll invite controversy.

I think this is right. It seems weird that Shanahan would put Trey in when JG has the offense clicking along but I think Shanahan has decided that putting Trey in when the offense with JG as QB is struggling would definitely "invite controversy" and likely a lot of it. If Trey does well in that situation then there will be a lot of people calling to ditch JG and go with Trey. If Trey does badly when the offense is already struggling then a lot of people will say it was a dumb idea to put Trey in and he should have just let JG work his way through it. There are pitfalls no matter what Shanahan does with JG and Trey but giving Trey playing time when the offense is already humming along probably has fewer pits to fall into.

agreed

I think it's as simple as this; Due to Trey's experience, starting Jimmy gives us the best chance to win right now. Trey is still learning the offense and pro game, and we can't afford any liabilities that come with that in a year where we can potentially compete for a championship.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That's probably one of the reasons he didn't get snaps against the Eagles. You can't put him into the game when the offense is struggling or else it'll invite controversy.

I think this is right. It seems weird that Shanahan would put Trey in when JG has the offense clicking along but I think Shanahan has decided that putting Trey in when the offense with JG as QB is struggling would definitely "invite controversy" and likely a lot of it. If Trey does well in that situation then there will be a lot of people calling to ditch JG and go with Trey. If Trey does badly when the offense is already struggling then a lot of people will say it was a dumb idea to put Trey in and he should have just let JG work his way through it. There are pitfalls no matter what Shanahan does with JG and Trey but giving Trey playing time when the offense is already humming along probably has fewer pits to fall into.

agreed

I think Kyle is doing it the right way - let Jimmy work through the ups and downs, before inserting Trey in a bad situation.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I think it's as simple as this; Due to Trey's experience, starting Jimmy gives us the best chance to win right now. Trey is still learning the offense and pro game, and we can't afford any liabilities that come with that in a year where we can potentially compete for a championship.

Agree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
This guy has one year of collegiate D2 experience. He's a rookie. We have Jimmy

He was drafted to watch and learn and to get ready once his number is called

Just like Mahomes before him

Mahomes is more the exception then the norm…people gotta realize this.

his skill set is what got him a MVP, not sitting for a yr.

Funny how you come to that conclusion. How could you possibly know that.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
This guy has one year of collegiate D2 experience. He's a rookie. We have Jimmy

He was drafted to watch and learn and to get ready once his number is called

Just like Mahomes before him

Mahomes is more the exception then the norm…people gotta realize this.

his skill set is what got him a MVP, not sitting for a yr.

Funny how you come to that conclusion. How could you possibly know that.

Mahomes I believe was drafted at 10 overall. Trey was drafted at 3 overall. I believe we all know what we gave up to get him. So in other words he was drafted higher than Mahomes so what should that tell us about our perceived skill set for Trey Lance?

Jimmy is 2-0 and has been there done that with this team just 2 seasons ago. Alex was a vet that knew how to win as well. I think our coach is doing the right thing for 2021 season with letting Jimmy do the job he has earned the right to do and I am having fun rooting for this team to see how far we can take it this year.

I don't waste time arguing results. 2 and 0 is 2 and 0!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
This guy has one year of collegiate D2 experience. He's a rookie. We have Jimmy

He was drafted to watch and learn and to get ready once his number is called

Just like Mahomes before him

Mahomes is more the exception then the norm…people gotta realize this.

his skill set is what got him a MVP, not sitting for a yr.

Funny how you come to that conclusion. How could you possibly know that.

Mahomes I believe was drafted at 10 overall. Trey was drafted at 3 overall. I believe we all know what we gave up to get him. So in other words he was drafted higher than Mahomes so what should that tell us about our perceived skill set for Trey Lance?

Jimmy is 2-0 and has been there done that with this team just 2 seasons ago. Alex was a vet that knew how to win as well. I think our coach is doing the right thing for 2021 season with letting Jimmy do the job he has earned the right to do and I am having fun rooting for this team to see how far we can take it this year.

I don't waste time arguing results. 2 and 0 is 2 and 0!

Fully agree. Can't sit to see Trey but his time will come.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Much harder to keep a guy on the bench when the team sucks than to store him.

Montana was probably the only exception to the rule (maybe...DeBerg wasn't bad), but typically unless there's a proper starter in place it doesn't happen.

If we drafted Mahomes, he would have played just like Beathard did that season. If Favre left Green Bay within those first three seasons of Rodgers' career, Rodgers would have seen the field.

Big Ben replaced garbage. Eli replaced an out of place Kurt Warner (midway through the season).

Wilson IMO had an amazing situation from a pure defense/RB scenario, but very limited pitch count those first few years. How many teams can afford to do that now?

The low pitch count is how you play a rookie. Kyle could theoretically do that, but no need to with Jimmy.

Trey might be on a pitch count when he finally does start. Wouldn't surprise me, and that's likely the best scenario.

With Lawrence and Zachary Wilson struggling, suddenly it doesn't seem like a terrible idea to sit our boy.

There are always exceptions to the rule (i.e. a rookie that does better starting than sitting), but normally better to give them an additional year(s) of experience to acclimate to the mental aspects of the game on and off the field. Then in that rookie season they will get their first NFL snaps under low pressure situations (ideally), and it takes pressure off.

By year 2, 3, they'll be far more ready mentally for the game. Over time, the reps they get will offset the inexperience. Ideally, the first 16 games in a QB's career would be better a year or two after being drafted than 9 months after.

Garoppolo is another beneficiary of this. His first NFL snaps were in a blowout loss to KC where he got the only TD for the Patriots, then he gets his first start to supplant a suspended Brady (less pressure because not true starter). Goes to SF on a terrible team, no pressure......

Say what you want about Garoppolo but he earned a franchise contract correctly, and I think if he never suffered the ACL would've been on a better track than he is now.

Answer this:

How good would a rookie Garoppolo have been like in 2014 starting in lieu of Brady? The year they beat the Hawks on a last second miracle.

Exactly. Nice f**king post JT. It's not that hard to understand

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
to be honest, I just want to see if hes a bust or not so we can move on lol

We all want to see him play, but I think Kyle is doing it the right way. Just got to be patient.

Lance is much more physically gifted than Jimmy, that's for sure. But the QB position is more mental than physical, so I'm ok with being patient with Lance.

Very few great quarterbacks can come in as a rookie and do well(Manning, Marino,Elway, maybe Russ Wilson). Most end up on the worst teams and have no choice to get thrown out there to try to give fans hope.

We have the luxury of letting him learn and spot play just like Mahomes, Rodgers, and Montana.

Jimmy will probably break down at some point this year, so Lance will get his chance.

Agree. The Alex Smith vs Kaepernick injury situation is the most likely scenario for Trey to take over the starting position for *this year.* Jimmy is just too good right now for Trey to take over barring again, an injury.

Next year will be a different matter. Nick Mullens made a big leap and took over the starting spot (I think) in his second year - after Jimmy was injured and beat out BeatHard - for the starting job. Its usually the second year when most NFL players make a huge leap if they have what it takes to play in the league.

I can see a bottom feeding team offering ShanaLynch two second round draft picks for Jimmy if we make the playoffs this year but don't advance to the big game. Now, if Jimmy is this years Lombardi trophy winner, who knows, ShanaLynch might just want to keep Jimmy for another year.

One thing is for sure, ShanaLynch has bet their future (good or bad) on Trey, and he's going to be the starter once Kyle thinks he's ready.

I found this video last night featuring one of Trey's QB coaches. Found it very interesting and learned a few things. Sorry if it was posted before.