Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Funny how you come to that conclusion. How could you possibly know that.

Please show me all the Mahomes before him? Kid has crusty the clown footwork, his mechanics overall aren't good. He played in a air raid in school that was not even close to what Reid runs (but he still had 1,400 passing attempts in college) He said he couldn't read defenses during his MVP yr…he just has stupid talent overall. NOW he has an understanding of how to play QB and how to run that offense, on top of elite skill set. IMO kid would have came in yr 1 and still done fine with Reid and that roster.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?


Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

I think it's simple. Shanahan will start him when he believes he should be the starter.

No, start him now even though he's not even close to being ready, risk the season even though they're 2 and 0, upset the locker room, so they can develop this linebacker posing as a qb with the slim hope they didn't completely botch the pick.

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:
Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Well no s**t lol. A lot of those players got drafted to horrible teams with horrible coaching staffs. some were overdrafted like other positions…Win % is not a QB stat. Tons of players bust at every position all the same.

Also who's talking about starting out the season? I'm not…never have. I said IF the best way to get a young QB to be successful was to NOT play him yr one NONE I mean NONE of those QBs would have played a snap yr one.

Playing football is the best way to develop any player. Not holding a clipboard.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

How many of those guys had to play because the starter was injured?

Your last comment assumes all QBs are the same and all situations are the same.
They are all different.

Every single rookie QB needs to be treated differently according to their situation.

David Carr was great
Kyle Boller is a prime example why you play rookies
Mark Sanchez he can throw the deep ball everybody
Brandon Weeden is a certain future HOF
RG3 starting sure helped his future
EJ Manuel fantastic starter
Marcus Mariota that starting was huge in his back up development
Winston-meh
Blake Bortles was just misunderstood
Didn't we just cut Josh Rosen?

Yeah theres some gems in there but by god, most of these guys were garbage.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think it's simple. Shanahan will start him when he believes he should be the starter.

We'll have none of that logic around here buddy
There is no one right way to do it. Trial by fire, throw the rookie in there let him get reps. Or sit him down put the clipboard in his hand and let him learn. You can argue ether way till you're blue in the face, but in the end there is no proven track record for ether philosophy. Trust the coaches

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think it's simple. Shanahan will start him when he believes he should be the starter.

I feel like people are completely missing my point and have been for a while….I am not talking about forcing a kid to start day 1.

all I have been saying from day 1 is if you want the young QB to develop, he has to play football at some point. Learning to prepare like a pro is all fine and good…that's really what he's learning right now. He will not get to where people what him to be if he doesn't play football. That's a massive part of the process and the team accepted that when they moved up for him. He will screw up, he will miss reads, he will have some bad throws…but he will gain experience and the most important thing a player can get. Live reps….you can't get that at any point during the season unless you play…practice is for recovery, film study, and installing the weekly game plan.

I get it's all about winning, right now kyle think gives us the best chance which is great…he should be playing he currently being paid to be an elite QB. Lance imo should get some series of in the pocket play as the season progresses.

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:
David Carr was great
Kyle Boller is a prime example why you play rookies
Mark Sanchez he can throw the deep ball everybody
Brandon Weeden is a certain future HOF
RG3 starting sure helped his future
EJ Manuel fantastic starter
Marcus Mariota that starting was huge in his back up development
Winston-meh
Blake Bortles was just misunderstood
Didn't we just cut Josh Rosen?

Yeah theres some gems in there but by god, most of these guys were garbage.

Yeah you're right if they just sat for a year they would have been HOFers lol. Again missing the point of the post.

Originally posted by SoCold:
How many of those guys had to play because the starter was injured?

Your last comment assumes all QBs are the same and all situations are the same.
They are all different.

Every single rookie QB needs to be treated differently according to their situation.

It's simple dude, I'm told if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play yr 1 then every QB would sit the bench yr one. If that's the key for success like I'm being told then none would play. Regardless of injury, the goal is to make that highly touted rookie be successful, right?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
No, start him now even though he's not even close to being ready, risk the season even though they're 2 and 0, upset the locker room, so they can develop this linebacker posing as a qb with the slim hope they didn't completely botch the pick.

Lol and no one said that….it's like people don't read and make up s**t to argue about in here

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think it's simple. Shanahan will start him when he believes he should be the starter.

We'll have none of that logic around here buddy
There is no one right way to do it. Trial by fire, throw the rookie in there let him get reps. Or sit him down put the clipboard in his hand and let him learn. You can argue ether way till you're blue in the face, but in the end there is no proven track record for ether philosophy. Trust the coaches

I agree with this for the most part. My debate is with the people that say the best way for a QB to be successful is to not play football and sitting them for a yr and the only reason other teams played their rookie QBs at some people yr one is for hype lol. So dumb.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

This is pretty meaningless because most first round QBs are drafted by s**t teams that either have no other option at QB or the rookie is their best option. Or they're simply desperate for some sort of excitement boost from throwing a rookie to the wolves.

None of which applies to the 49ers who are in the extraordinarily rare position of being able to sit a rookie QB because they have a pretty good veteran quarterback starting ahead of them and no need to satisfy an ADHD addled fanbase off its Ritalin.