Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Well, to be fair, it's also not often that a qb drafted in the top 10 isn't on a team with a severe qb problem.

Ours was that we lost 2/3 of our last 3 seasons because he was on IR.

Like Joe Montana said, they traded for Steve because he(Joe) had just had a back injury and the 49ees had to protect the organization. So it makes perfect sense why they drafted Lance, to protect the organization.

That's Joe making that comparison, not me.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Originally posted by CaseyJones49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Can you provide win loss record like I asked? That's got A LOT to do with my point that they didn't win because they were on bad teams. Please don't even respond unless you do.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I wasn't trying to debate you on that subject. I was just stating both ends of the spectum. But since you decided to highlight that one sentence out of my entire post. If you believe the best way for a football player to develop is to actually play football than why weren't you an advocate of Trey starting day one?

Because we have a QB that knows the offense and can win games right now…and who's getting paid top money. This is separate from assuming sitting a rookie QB for a yr gives him his best chance to develop and be successful.

im fine with the way things are right now, but people thinking Lance is gonna come into 2022 ready to ball out because he held a clipboard for a yr, well you're gonna be disappointed. It's a process and part of that process is letting the kid play football to improve. This FO knew that when they drafted him and I hope fan's understand this.

FWIW I would like to see him get some meaningful snaps throughout the year, not a couple ZRs on 3rd in long or in the RZ…legit in the pocket series. He needs that.

Treyxcuses already.

Originally posted by CaseyJones49:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Can you provide win loss record like I asked? That's got A LOT to do with my point that they didn't win because they were on bad teams. Please don't even respond unless you do.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, to be fair, it's also not often that a qb drafted in the top 10 isn't on a team with a severe qb problem.

Ours was that we lost 2/3 of our last 3 seasons because he was on IR.

Like Joe Montana said, they traded for Steve because he(Joe) had just had a back injury and the 49ees had to protect the organization. So it makes perfect sense why they drafted Lance, to protect the organization.

That's Joe making that comparison, not me.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Jimmy ain't Joe.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, to be fair, it's also not often that a qb drafted in the top 10 isn't on a team with a severe qb problem.

Ours was that we lost 2/3 of our last 3 seasons because he was on IR.

Like Joe Montana said, they traded for Steve because he(Joe) had just had a back injury and the 49ees had to protect the organization. So it makes perfect sense why they drafted Lance, to protect the organization.

That's Joe making that comparison, not me.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Jimmy ain't Joe.

A 2nd and a 4th is more believable as "protection"
3 1st and a 3rd is not just for "protection" it's for upgrade/replacement.
The two situations are not even close to being the same

Originally posted by Natedog:
Lance will start games this season no doubt. No way Jimmy-G lasts an entire season.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I wasn't trying to debate you on that subject. I was just stating both ends of the spectum. But since you decided to highlight that one sentence out of my entire post. If you believe the best way for a football player to develop is to actually play football than why weren't you an advocate of Trey starting day one?

Because we have a QB that knows the offense and can win games right now…and who's getting paid top money. This is separate from assuming sitting a rookie QB for a yr gives him his best chance to develop and be successful.

im fine with the way things are right now, but people thinking Lance is gonna come into 2022 ready to ball out because he held a clipboard for a yr, well you're gonna be disappointed. It's a process and part of that process is letting the kid play football to improve. This FO knew that when they drafted him and I hope fan's understand this.

FWIW I would like to see him get some meaningful snaps throughout the year, not a couple ZRs on 3rd in long or in the RZ…legit in the pocket series. He needs that.

Treyxcuses already.

Originally posted by random49er:
If you love Jimmy to death, you are simply in denial about the part in bold and will come up with whatever else comforts you.

Barring an injury, Trey is going to be worked in to take the reigns. He's not simply here to protect some high commodity we have.

He's going to get his snaps at some point this season,...we just don't know when and Kyle enjoys the fact that we don't know when.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DAstateCal85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If a team isn't going to win more games by starting someone else, it is easy to decide to develop a guy by fire with the justification that he gives the team the best chance to win.

You mean just develop him like most teams do with 1st rd picks by playing them?

With Justin Fields starting Sunday, 29 of 33 QBs taken in the first round in the last 10 draft cycles (2012-21) will have started inside their first 10 games as a pro. And if Trey Lance starts anytime soon, it'll be 30 of 33.

Redshirting a first-round QB rarely actually happens. pic.twitter.com/SeGUCyAX30

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 22, 2021

Again if the best way to get a QB to be successful was to not play them yr one then..They. Would. Not. Play. Them. Period.

Care to post the win/loss on these players? I can 100% guarantee you they lost a lot more than they won. A majority of those are guys who bust. Also a majority of these guys were forced in to either injury or bad QB play... Outside of a few... they.did.not.start.the.season....

Why not?

Outside of a few? The previous 10 drafts (prior to this one), 9 of the 14 QBs who were drafted in the top 5 of a draft started week one. That's substantially more than "outside of a few."

Jake Locker is the only QB taken in the top 10 in the last 10 years to not be their team's starter by midway through their rookie season.

It is super rare for the rookie QBs taken at the top of the draft to not start at least some games as a rookie.

Well, to be fair, it's also not often that a qb drafted in the top 10 isn't on a team with a severe qb problem.

Ours was that we lost 2/3 of our last 3 seasons because he was on IR.

Like Joe Montana said, they traded for Steve because he(Joe) had just had a back injury and the 49ees had to protect the organization. So it makes perfect sense why they drafted Lance, to protect the organization.

That's Joe making that comparison, not me.

Jimmy ain't Joe.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, to be fair, it's also not often that a qb drafted in the top 10 isn't on a team with a severe qb problem.

Ours was that we lost 2/3 of our last 3 seasons because he was on IR.

Like Joe Montana said, they traded for Steve because he(Joe) had just had a back injury and the 49ees had to protect the organization. So it makes perfect sense why they drafted Lance, to protect the organization.

That's Joe making that comparison, not me.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Jimmy ain't Joe.

A 2nd and a 4th is more believable as "protection"
3 1st and a 3rd is not just for "protection" it's for upgrade/replacement.
The two situations are not even close to being the same

If you love Jimmy to death, you are simply in denial about the part in bold and will come up with whatever else comforts you.

Barring an injury, Trey is going to be worked in to take the reigns. He's not simply here to protect some high commodity we have.

He's going to get his snaps at some point this season,...we just don't know when and Kyle enjoys the fact that we don't know when.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by random49er:
If you love Jimmy to death, you are simply in denial about the part in bold and will come up with whatever else comforts you.

Barring an injury, Trey is going to be worked in to take the reigns. He's not simply here to protect some high commodity we have.

He's going to get his snaps at some point this season,...we just don't know when and Kyle enjoys the fact that we don't know when.

In all honesty, this game seems like a prime opportunity for Trey, but I am not a fan of switching QB's in and out. Maybe Kyle starts dialing up more of those QB sneaks for Jimmy…