Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
To be fair, most of those teams don't have a better option. Who else are the Jets, Patriots, and Jags going to start? The Bears were going with Dalton until he got hurt so it looks like Fields will start.
This. Most rookie QBs start out of a lack of a better option on the roster. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
What I've yet to see is anyone making a compelling case for why sitting a QB for their rookie year is going to hurt their long term development.
If sitting a high draft pick rookie QB was the best way to develop a QB in todays NFL - then those teams would sign a below average starter in FA or start a backup QB - while their rookie QB learns on the sidelines.
It's not like you're gonna compete for Super Bowl with a rookie QB and often new regimes are the ones that draft rookie QBs - so they're unlikely to get fired for a poor season.
Most franchises start their rookie QB bc that's usually the best way. They'll not risk his development bc they don't have a better option on the roster.
I'd like to hear a compelling argument that sitting a player for a yr is gonna make them vastly better in the long-term? All I hear is look at Mahomes. Like he wasn't some special talent to begin with. I'll bet money he's still f**king good if he played yr 1.
all I've said is playing football gets you better at playing football…NFL players tell you that, our freaking HC said that.
I also understand the situation we're in and overall it's fine…but people expecting Mahomes 2.0 in 2022 just because he red shirt are fooling themselves. There's a process and a massive part of it is playing football and dealing with the bumps in the road.
Can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not expecting him to be Mahomes 2.0 because he redshirts. My position is you're definitely not gonna see Mahomes 2.0 in his rookie year. Too much to work on to execute Kyle's offense.
You have to remember, because of the CBA, Kyle isn't going to be able to coach Lance for over 5 months of the year. To work on the mechanics, footwork, position meetings on the ins and outs of the plays - we forget a lot of times how much classroom time is spent in each and every play. Vince Lombardi once spent 6 hours with John Madden going over just the Packers sweep.
This is the time when players get the bulk of that, one with training camp. The qb coach, Kyle and quality control coaches will spend hours each week in rotation with Lance to work on all the things that they don't want him having to learn on top of learning from experience.
Red-shirting won't hinder his growth. It allows him to have a more stable platform to realize his potential.
Nothing will replace live reps but I don't want him starting this year. The odds are too far against us to compete for a SB with him starting this year. Could it happen? Anything can happen. Is it likely? No. You don't give up on a SB goal just to look forward to next year. You aren't guaranteed that Lance doesn't tear an ACL in week 3(I hope to god he doesn't) but if it happens, then why did you punt away 2021?
Are we super bowl contenders with Jimmy G? Maybe- we've been before so it is possible to be again. Are we with Lance? He would have to be the 1st rookie in a LONG line of superbly talented rookie qb's to do it, so almost surely not.
You gain nothing for 2021, only 2022 by doing so. Well, we can't be guaranteed that half the team doesn't get injured in OTA's before 2022 even happens. You play the season you're in, while you're in it.
You play the guy who gives you the best chance to win.
Right now, and unless Jimmy G gets hurt, that's not Lance.
It was 8 hours -- not six.
As a young assistant coach, Madden attended a coaching clinic where Lombardi was the speaker. As Madden tells it, he was quite confident in his football knowledge. Showing up at the clinic, he sat in the back row and settled in for the eight-hour lesson. What he discovered was that the subject of the all-day session was a single play—the power sweep, which Lombardi made famous in Green Bay.
At the end of the day, Madden was astonished by what had transpired and what he had learned. As he tells it, "I went in there cocky thinking I knew everything there was to know about football, and he spent eight hours talking about this one play. He talked for four hours, took a break, and came back and talked four more. I realized then that I actually knew nothing about football."
https://hrdailyadvisor.blr.com/2014/03/10/learn-important-lessons-from-lombardis-eight-hour-session/
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