Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
That toss flea flicker thing we tried where Kittle was wide open and Jimmy G under threw it. Lance makes that throw and puts Kittle in the end zone. That's all I know. He probably can't make all the throws that Garrapalo can right now, but that play is a perfect example of why our offense is limited.

His massive under throw to a wide open Deebo calls that into question

It wasn't massive under throw lol. Why would he risk throwing that to Deebo in stride when there is no defender near by? Lol you've never played this game. You don't purposely make it more difficult for yourself or your receiver.

They're getting desperate,...lol.

I mean - wtffff is that? There were a few bad throws from Lance. Criticize those. Enough to pick from. Why he has to pick the one which was actually a perfect throw. It was an easy throw - but right where it should have been. Dude hates Lance.

I think hitting him in stride is a better option however the rookie was just thrown into a game with no warning. He probably couldn't believe his eyes and just got it to him. Better than trying to be fancy and letting the jitters affect the outcome. Take the safer throw and hope we still get the td which we did so no harm no foul.

Exactly. Though guys like random hated Jimmy for the exact same thing with his 70 yarder to Deebo or that his other huge throw to Deebo was "lucky". Desperation? Yes. Hypocrisy? 100%.

Could the throw have been prettier? Of course… Does it matter and should we hate on the guy for it like random did Jimmy? Hell no! It was a td and a much needed one.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Josh Allen did have to play to get to where he is today. But, it isn't totally true that fans need to deal with the butt plays which was why I brought up Kap. You do remember we went to the Super Bowl the year we started him right? And it wasn't even a full season. But, by God Kap was ready, at least much more so than Lance. You could argue success takes hard work and time, sure which was why Kap never started as a rookie even though Harbaugh had always wanted to start his own QB ASAP as he knew Alex Smith wasn't it.

I don't know what the answer is since Jimmy is not healthy for now and he seems to have been figured out by teams. I don't know whether Jimmy or Lance will win more games, that is if you still have any aspirations in winning now? If not, we could be talking about another 3 years of teething pain and quite possibly losing seasons. Just saying.

Kap ran the same offense from his college days....it was a ton of the pistol, do you remember that? So no I don't agree he was all primed up after riding the bench all yr...he was doing the same s**t he was doing in college.

Everyone wants to win games, but people need to accept and be realistic about it as well. Jimmy isn't gonna win out of structure. He's not gonna put a team on his back and go out and beat the better teams week in and week out IF he was that, then we wouldn't be talking about Lance in SF.

Kyle can win with Lance, if he puts him in a spot to succeed...don't throw too much on his plate and get the running game going. Like I said fans need to accept that there is a process and instant results isn't always what happens. Hard work and dealing with the ups and downs can create LONG-TERM success. I'll take that over possibly getting in the playoffs and losing in the 1st rd.

patience is something that has been lost with people today...

Originally posted by tjd808185:
You play the rookie and let him develop if the season is lost. It's still too premature for that. There's a long list of qb's who sat their rookie the entire year and did just fine in year 2. Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady to name a few.

I think going back to Jimmy until the season is lost is the proper call. The NFL is set up to play for now. If we play Lance and go 6-10 Shanny's seat is getting real hot. That's 4 out of 5 losing seasons.

There's a long list of QBs that didn't play yr 1 that didn't turn into s**t all the same, I think pointing out a couple best case scenarios is disingenuous.

Going back to Jimmy might not be a thing if he's out for a month or so...but if he can play then fine, they made their bed with him once they gave him all that cash this yr.

Jed signed off on them moving all their chips into Lance and understands that instant success with a rookie QB isn't always the outcome BUT getting through all that s**t can equal long-term success, which should matter way more.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:


I was a fan of this play. Escaped the rush and didn't force the run. He kept his eyes on the receivers and picked up the first down. Sanu was wide open and I wonder if it's partially due to the threat of Trey taking off freezing the defenders.

Sanu is a veteran and knows this system well. He found a gap to sit in like a te and help his QB out, I'm glad we have him.

But zero comments on Trey avoiding pressure and finding the open man on the run.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:


I was a fan of this play. Escaped the rush and didn't force the run. He kept his eyes on the receivers and picked up the first down. Sanu was wide open and I wonder if it's partially due to the threat of Trey taking off freezing the defenders.

Sanu is a veteran and knows this system well. He found a gap to sit in like a te and help his QB out, I'm glad we have him.

But zero comments on Trey avoiding pressure and finding the open man on the run.

You mean like the comment he quoted most likely agreeing?

Trey looks good avoiding the rush and throwing on the run.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
That toss flea flicker thing we tried where Kittle was wide open and Jimmy G under threw it. Lance makes that throw and puts Kittle in the end zone. That's all I know. He probably can't make all the throws that Garrapalo can right now, but that play is a perfect example of why our offense is limited.

His massive under throw to a wide open Deebo calls that into question

It wasn't massive under throw lol. Why would he risk throwing that to Deebo in stride when there is no defender near by? Lol you've never played this game. You don't purposely make it more difficult for yourself or your receiver.

They're getting desperate,...lol.

I mean - wtffff is that? There were a few bad throws from Lance. Criticize those. Enough to pick from. Why he has to pick the one which was actually a perfect throw. It was an easy throw - but right where it should have been. Dude hates Lance.

I think hitting him in stride is a better option however the rookie was just thrown into a game with no warning. He probably couldn't believe his eyes and just got it to him. Better than trying to be fancy and letting the jitters affect the outcome. Take the safer throw and hope we still get the td which we did so no harm no foul.

Exactly. Though guys like random hated Jimmy for the exact same thing with his 70 yarder to Deebo or that his other huge throw to Deebo was "lucky". Desperation? Yes. Hypocrisy? 100%.

Could the throw have been prettier? Of course… Does it matter and should we hate on the guy for it like random did Jimmy? Hell no! It was a td and a much needed one.

I don't think people understand how much arm strength you need to make this throw (with no hitch) it's what 30 yards on the opposite side of the hash for god sake.


He couldn't step into his throw and STILL got the ball there and yet people want him to throw 'him in stride" from across the field 50 yards off his back foot with pressure on him lol.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:


I was a fan of this play. Escaped the rush and didn't force the run. He kept his eyes on the receivers and picked up the first down. Sanu was wide open and I wonder if it's partially due to the threat of Trey taking off freezing the defenders.

He's struggled at times feeling pressure from the right side, so this play stood out to me as well. You can also see how twitchy he is.

+5 swag points for 1-handing the snap

ya i really liked this rep

Man McGlinchey got embarrassed on this one. Look at him doing a 360 and walking away.

Originally posted by Jikkle49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I thought this was his best play of the game. He felt the pressure coming in, evaded it, saw the huge opening in the middle of the field and took off. Wilson's lived off of plays like this his entire career.

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Might be just me but seems like the Hawks were a little afraid of his running ability because Wagner just sits there and waits for him whereas he'd likely attack if it was Jimmy G or other non athletic QB.

Of course they were. A shifty fast cannon armed dude breaking free? Looked like on that play that who ever that was in center field had to freeze in place watching him opening up that pass. This is a totally different situation then we've seen since Kap. He's definitely a mix of Watson/McNair with maybe a little RW's head. Good luck studying tape on him. Throw from the pocket in one play then a roll out then jab steps up and out of the pocket all the while carrying a canon. Was at the Lion's game and when he ran in for a running play they weren't paying attention until one player saw him and started screaming at the sidelines and the others and guys were pointing all over the place on what to cover. His talent is very respected already. I was on the 20 yard line.

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
The only thing I'm worried about is Trey's growth being hindered by being thrown into the fray too early. In all walks of life, some guys need that real time pressure in order to learn, other guys need time to watch and learn from afar or else they will develop bad habits that linger.

It would be easier if this team had no expectations, but despite everything, we still do.

If Jimmy G's injury is serious, then the decision is easier. This whole thing is a come to Jesus moment for this franchise.

I think if Jimmy comes back in a couple weeks it will be extremely valuable experience even if he gets smacked around and plays poorly. He'll get his feet dipped in the pressure and frustration, but get pulled out fast enough for there not to be any long term damage to his confidence.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Josh Allen did have to play to get to where he is today. But, it isn't totally true that fans need to deal with the butt plays which was why I brought up Kap. You do remember we went to the Super Bowl the year we started him right? And it wasn't even a full season. But, by God Kap was ready, at least much more so than Lance. You could argue success takes hard work and time, sure which was why Kap never started as a rookie even though Harbaugh had always wanted to start his own QB ASAP as he knew Alex Smith wasn't it.

I don't know what the answer is since Jimmy is not healthy for now and he seems to have been figured out by teams. I don't know whether Jimmy or Lance will win more games, that is if you still have any aspirations in winning now? If not, we could be talking about another 3 years of teething pain and quite possibly losing seasons. Just saying.

Kap ran the same offense from his college days....it was a ton of the pistol, do you remember that? So no I don't agree he was all primed up after riding the bench all yr...he was doing the same s**t he was doing in college.

Everyone wants to win games, but people need to accept and be realistic about it as well. Jimmy isn't gonna win out of structure. He's not gonna put a team on his back and go out and beat the better teams week in and week out IF he was that, then we wouldn't be talking about Lance in SF.

Kyle can win with Lance, if he puts him in a spot to succeed...don't throw too much on his plate and get the running game going. Like I said fans need to accept that there is a process and instant results isn't always what happens. Hard work and dealing with the ups and downs can create LONG-TERM success. I'll take that over possibly getting in the playoffs and losing in the 1st rd.

patience is something that has been lost with people today...

The bold 100%

I would also think the longer that Jimmy G is out injured the likelihood grows that he will not be starting again. This is coupled with how Trey develops while he has this opportunity. At the moment he is only 50/50 with completions. I am not critical of that at this point but he is going to have to get 65% plus to keep JG out.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Josh Allen did have to play to get to where he is today. But, it isn't totally true that fans need to deal with the butt plays which was why I brought up Kap. You do remember we went to the Super Bowl the year we started him right? And it wasn't even a full season. But, by God Kap was ready, at least much more so than Lance. You could argue success takes hard work and time, sure which was why Kap never started as a rookie even though Harbaugh had always wanted to start his own QB ASAP as he knew Alex Smith wasn't it.

I don't know what the answer is since Jimmy is not healthy for now and he seems to have been figured out by teams. I don't know whether Jimmy or Lance will win more games, that is if you still have any aspirations in winning now? If not, we could be talking about another 3 years of teething pain and quite possibly losing seasons. Just saying.

Kap ran the same offense from his college days....it was a ton of the pistol, do you remember that? So no I don't agree he was all primed up after riding the bench all yr...he was doing the same s**t he was doing in college.

Everyone wants to win games, but people need to accept and be realistic about it as well. Jimmy isn't gonna win out of structure. He's not gonna put a team on his back and go out and beat the better teams week in and week out IF he was that, then we wouldn't be talking about Lance in SF.

Kyle can win with Lance, if he puts him in a spot to succeed...don't throw too much on his plate and get the running game going. Like I said fans need to accept that there is a process and instant results isn't always what happens. Hard work and dealing with the ups and downs can create LONG-TERM success. I'll take that over possibly getting in the playoffs and losing in the 1st rd.

patience is something that has been lost with people today...

The bold 100%

I would also think the longer that Jimmy G is out injured the likelihood grows that he will not be starting again. This is coupled with how Trey develops while he has this opportunity. At the moment he is only 50/50 with completions. I am not critical of that at this point but he is going to have to get 65% plus to keep JG out.

I think Trey needs to just be solid and that should keep Jimmy on the bench once he's healthy.

the rookie was told he was going in a minute before they went back onto the field. give the man a break.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
He is not ready. To me, he is a 3-year project like Josh Allen. By that I mean the chances are only by Year 3 we will know whether he is boom, serviceable or bust.

When Kap started in his 2nd year, that is my definition of ready. He absolutely killed it. But, whether we were or rather weren't able to further develop him that's another topic of discussion.

And Josh Allen played that whole time, that's what got him to where he is now. Fans gotta deal with the butt plays in the beginning, it's part of the process when you draft a QB early.

I was fine with Jimmy starting for as long as possible, I also realize the best way to get Lance better is to actually play football at some point.

we will see how it goes, I won't be one of the guys saying he's a bust if he doesn't play well right off the bat because I knew what the process was gonna entail. I can weather the storm because I have faith in this kid and our coaches to put him in a spot to succeed….s**t takes hard work and time, but not sure all the fan base thinks like that (not saying you)

This. Lots if these ridiculously unreasonable takes that if he's not the guy right this moment he's a bust. Pretty sure none of them were alive in 2005.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
The only thing I'm worried about is Trey's growth being hindered by being thrown into the fray too early. In all walks of life, some guys need that real time pressure in order to learn, other guys need time to watch and learn from afar or else they will develop bad habits that linger.

It would be easier if this team had no expectations, but despite everything, we still do.

If Jimmy G's injury is serious, then the decision is easier. This whole thing is a come to Jesus moment for this franchise.

I think if Jimmy comes back in a couple weeks it will be extremely valuable experience even if he gets smacked around and plays poorly. He'll get his feet dipped in the pressure and frustration, but get pulled out fast enough for there not to be any long term damage to his confidence.

Love me some Jimmy and it might be beneficial for Trey to play a few games then have a chance to watch on the sidelines but at this point, can we trust Jimmy to stay healthy and not get injured again? I say no. There's really no point in risking another switch in QBs if and when Jimmy goes down again.