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May 3, 2021 at 12:04 PM
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Fascinating if true. Did it come directly from Shannhan or Lynch or is this more media nonsense?


I find that believable. For one, they met with both players and tested them over zoom and via aptitude tests, so they're the ones that would know.

Yeah kid has a lot to like and is only scratching the surface....very excited. Scags already gave him some homework and to be ready to go to work in 10 days
May 3, 2021 at 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
The main issue I have with Lance is accuracy. On tape he's missed easy 5-yard throws and threw several passes well out of bounds on sideline throws.

Josh Allen dramatically improved his accuracy, but I would rank Lance's accuracy a lot of worse than Kaepernick at this point, and Kap has taken a good amount of flack for some inaccurate throws before.

Lance was also 19 on that tape. I live in Tahoe and saw Kap play at age 19 in person and - believe it or not - he did not look like a QB. I saw him play next year as well when he was 20 (turned 21 during season) - and he still didn't look like someone who may get drafted as a QB in the NFL.

In short - If Kap stopped playing after his first year in college - he would not have gotten drafted. Lance was a surefire top 10 pick in this draft. So, that should tell you how poor that comparison is.

It was his senior year when he showed quite a bit of improvement on his accuracy. So, you can imagine how bad he was during his first couple years in college.

Lance's accuracy is soooo much better than Kap ever was in college and like I mentioned - Lance turned 19 in May of 2019 and played that entire year without throwing an INT. I fully expect Lance to have already improved his accuracy - as he has been working on it for last few months. And unlike Kap - Lance comes off as a guy who wants to work on his weaknesses just as much on his strengths. That gives me all the confidence that he'll improve his accuracy drastically within the first couple years in NFL like most greats have done so in the past.
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May 3, 2021 at 12:10 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When teams evaluated Lance, there were 3 things that were common in their appraisal. One was he only played a few games and needs more time. Two was that he has a very high ceiling. Three was he has a high football IQ. I understand the first two but I'm curious about the third one.

Can anyone tell me how they determine a player's football IQ. I'm sure they watch tapes but are there questions they ask during the interview that are specific like "what would you do in this situation or that situation" or is it more of a general feel they get when talking football? Do they show him some plays and ask him what he sees? It's probably different with each team but I'm sure there are some common things as well. I know they give them that stupid test but that doesn't tell them about their football IQ.

I think it's exactly what you said. Whiteboard sessions help a team determine whether a QB understands play concepts.

I think spot on between the two of you. Another thing that I would add that is likely common with teams is a QBs recall. After the whiteboard sessions/interviews, I'd imagine the dialogue not only being one sided with the prospect breaking down what he sees with certain plays but also the coach explaining maybe another angle or different viewpoints based on the team specific scheme. I think those come into play with the multiple interview candidates and a part of that IQ/recall is seeing whether the prospect can still break it down as previously explained after going through interviews with different teams/viewpoints and scheme.
May 3, 2021 at 12:11 PM
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
The main issue I have with Lance is accuracy. On tape he's missed easy 5-yard throws and threw several passes well out of bounds on sideline throws.

Josh Allen dramatically improved his accuracy, but I would rank Lance's accuracy a lot of worse than Kaepernick at this point, and Kap has taken a good amount of flack for some inaccurate throws before.

What? nah Kap coming out of college completed 58% of his balls. Lance completed 68% he wasn't thrown a whole s**t load of screens. His ADOT was 10.7 (tied for the highest) and ADOC 7.5 yards which was 3rd behind Fields and Wilson.

Lance just needs reps and needs to continue to work on his new mechanics which have looked amazing over the past 5 months.

I'm not worried at all about his accuracy, s**t is blown out of proportion
May 3, 2021 at 12:12 PM
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When teams evaluated Lance, there were 3 things that were common in their appraisal. One was he only played a few games and needs more time. Two was that he has a very high ceiling. Three was he has a high football IQ. I understand the first two but I'm curious about the third one.

Can anyone tell me how they determine a player's football IQ. I'm sure they watch tapes but are there questions they ask during the interview that are specific like "what would you do in this situation or that situation" or is it more of a general feel they get when talking football? Do they show him some plays and ask him what he sees? It's probably different with each team but I'm sure there are some common things as well. I know they give them that stupid test but that doesn't tell them about their football IQ.

Lance needs more time, obviously.

Adam Shefter says:

"The 49ers believed Trey Lance was closer to starting games (in 2021) compared to Mac Jones"

If this true, then either Mac Jones won't be starting this fall or the 49ers assessment was incorrect. I think Jones will start 2021 over Cam Newton, and the assessment is wrong.
May 3, 2021 at 12:16 PM
I've never been this excited/intrigued by a 49er QB. I was excited when Young came over after being spoiled and introduced by Joe but was young and didn't understand the game as much as I think I do now. I just can't see Lance being anything less than a good QB at worst because of all the intangibles he has.
May 3, 2021 at 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When teams evaluated Lance, there were 3 things that were common in their appraisal. One was he only played a few games and needs more time. Two was that he has a very high ceiling. Three was he has a high football IQ. I understand the first two but I'm curious about the third one.

Can anyone tell me how they determine a player's football IQ. I'm sure they watch tapes but are there questions they ask during the interview that are specific like "what would you do in this situation or that situation" or is it more of a general feel they get when talking football? Do they show him some plays and ask him what he sees? It's probably different with each team but I'm sure there are some common things as well. I know they give them that stupid test but that doesn't tell them about their football IQ.

Lance needs more time, obviously.

Adam Shefter says:

"The 49ers believed Trey Lance was closer to starting games (in 2021) compared to Mac Jones"

If this true, then either Mac Jones won't be starting this fall or the 49ers assessment was incorrect. I think Jones will start 2021 over Cam Newton, and the assessment is wrong.

Jones may very well start over Cam Newton - but that doesn't mean assessment is wrong. Anyone can start the game - whether you look like you should be starting and belong on the field is a different question.

The fact that Pats didn't move up and let him fall to their spot with QB needy teams behind them - tells me - so far - you have been way off on your assessment on Mac Jones. Maybe you will be right - but I like most ppl thought he was mid-1st round talent and that's where he went.
May 3, 2021 at 12:25 PM
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I remember we played GB week 1 (I think it was 2012) and it was right before half. Harbaugh had Kap come in for one snap. GB had limited knowledge of Kap at this point, but they knew he had a big arm and they were out of FG range at that point. GB's defense played "prevent" and Kap had like a 15-yd run up the middle, leading to a 62-yd fg by David Akers. I think that's what we should expect. Either long pass play possibilities or designed scrambles.

I wonder if there will be situations where we use him like Taysom Hill. I wouldn't put it past Shanahan to create a package to have Lance in with Jimmy, and now defenses have to be even more alert. He certainly could, but I don't think he would. I think the focus is long-term development to do the things that he'll be doing in the long-run.

So I feel a more likely scenario for Lance to hit the field over Jimmy, is obvious running situations. Because of Lance's ability as a runner, Shanahan can create a package where we'll most likely run... but now we have QB Power and Read Option in the equation as well, along with the threat of Play Action passes.
May 3, 2021 at 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Fields has had professional QB coaching for years now. I think an interview with one of those QB coaches said as far back as 7th grade.

Lance just started getting that level of help.

The bet on Lance was potential. He has the best mix of the athleticism of intelligence/qb processing

This to me is where the difference is. Once Lance got with a qb coach he showed immediate improvement and I believe that showed the 49ers the kid can be good.
May 3, 2021 at 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
I've never been this excited/intrigued by a 49er QB. I was excited when Young came over after being spoiled and introduced by Joe but was young and didn't understand the game as much as I think I do now. I just can't see Lance being anything less than a good QB at worst because of all the intangibles he has.

Agree. He has the Steve Young type of athleticism, and Steve really dramatically improved his accuracy over time playing behind Joe. I can't see Lance being a bust with Kyle supporting him and coaching him up and building a team around him. Reminds me of the Staubach/Bradshaw situations, except that Trey has a team already built up around him ready to go when he's ready to go. I really am looking forward to seeing him in some sub packages to see what he can do in real NFL regular season games.

I keep hearing that he had the strongest arm in this years draft class. I'd like to hear others opinions, but from my point of view, those dramatic last minute come backs by some of these hall of fame players were powered by tremendous rocket arms. I remember our 49ers had Elway down 5 points in one game and one pass pretty much at the end of the game just barely went over Lott's head and they scored a game winning TD. If Trey has that kind of arm, no game is out of reach even at the last second.
May 3, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I remember we played GB week 1 (I think it was 2012) and it was right before half. Harbaugh had Kap come in for one snap. GB had limited knowledge of Kap at this point, but they knew he had a big arm and they were out of FG range at that point. GB's defense played "prevent" and Kap had like a 15-yd run up the middle, leading to a 62-yd fg by David Akers. I think that's what we should expect. Either long pass play possibilities or designed scrambles.

Good call. I can also see Shanahan dial up some plays for Lance in the red-zone later in the season.
May 3, 2021 at 12:32 PM
Originally posted by 4ML:
Lance was also 19 on that tape. I live in Tahoe and saw Kap play at age 19 in person and - believe it or not - he did not look like a QB. I saw him play next year as well when he was 20 (turned 21 during season) - and he still didn't look like someone who may get drafted as a QB in the NFL.

In short - If Kap stopped playing after his first year in college - he would not have gotten drafted. Lance was a surefire top 10 pick in this draft. So, that should tell you how poor that comparison is.

It was his senior year when he showed quite a bit of improvement on his accuracy. So, you can imagine how bad he was during his first couple years in college.

Lance's accuracy is soooo much better than Kap ever was in college and like I mentioned - Lance turned 19 in May of 2019 and played that entire year without throwing an INT. I fully expect Lance to have already improved his accuracy - as he has been working on it for last few months. And unlike Kap - Lance comes off as a guy who wants to work on his weaknesses just as much on his strengths. That gives me all the confidence that he'll improve his accuracy drastically within the first couple years in NFL like most greats have done so in the past.

I am talking about Kaepernick when he came to the Niners vs Lance when he came to the Niners. I understand that Lance is younger and had less reps, but again - we can only watch what is front of us tape-wise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu7E740IkAI&t=159s

This is concerning. And tbh, I remember watching tape of Kaepernick's first start as a freshman vs Boise State (the game that went three OTs and 50+ points scored) and I don't remember such egregious misses.

Lance is a big project right now. I'm sure Kyle will make it a lot easier for him, but his accuracy needs to be addressed fast imo.
May 3, 2021 at 12:32 PM
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I find that believable. For one, they met with both players and tested them over zoom and via aptitude tests, so they're the ones that would know.

Yeah kid has a lot to like and is only scratching the surface....very excited. Scags already gave him some homework and to be ready to go to work in 10 days

I don't disagree with any of these comments, and would not be the least bit surprised if it happened to be true. I am always suspect of any of these guys who claim to have specific information. When they are right about what the team was thinking, it seems more a case of blind pigs and acorns.
May 3, 2021 at 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Probably true, but not because Schefter said it. In the same interview he doubled down on the narrative that SF traded up to 3 with the intent of drafting Mac Jones, and then were so impressed with Lance they changed the plan. Cancel this blowhard, he offers no value other than telling us about trades that have already happened.
May 3, 2021 at 12:39 PM
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This play will give nightmares to defensive coordinators. So many options on this play.

a) Run it just like this - Lance can run inside - and if that DB doesn't outside (like in this play) - Lance bounces it outside.
b) Give the ball to Deebo who is sprinting across the LOS with Juice or Kittle at FB and blocking for Deebo - defense already had a tough time stopping that but now defense has to worry about Lance running - so they'll be slower to react to Deebo.
c) Or have FB on the other side - fake to Deebo and Lance running behind FB to the left side.
d) Fake the deebo run - have Kittle run a crossing route - to the left - and Aiyuk running a go route down the right sidelines
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