Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
On 12 designed runs, Lance averaged 3.7 ypc.
On 4 scrambles, Lance averaged 11.3 ypc.

Also, of the five holding penalties, two were called on designed runs. Two were called on scrambles. One was on a run play (Still trying to figure out how Dwelley was called for holding there).

Thanks for that. I have no problem with Lance using his legs when he sees a running lane versus man coverage (I don't know what coverages he was scrambling against vs ARI). Hopefully it forces defenses to devote a spy and/or play zone coverage to help contain his scrambling. Either of those things will help the passing game.

On his pick he had another 10+ run if he wanted it. Scrap the QB power nonsense he's not built to run over NFL front 7s.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
On 12 designed runs, Lance averaged 3.7 ypc.
On 4 scrambles, Lance averaged 11.3 ypc.

Also, of the five holding penalties, two were called on designed runs. Two were called on scrambles. One was on a run play (Still trying to figure out how Dwelley was called for holding there).

Thanks for that. I have no problem with Lance using his legs when he sees a running lane versus man coverage (I don't know what coverages he was scrambling against vs ARI). Hopefully it forces defenses to devote a spy and/or play zone coverage to help contain his scrambling. Either of those things will help the passing game.

Yup, IF he went through two - three reads and he takes off it makes sense. But that has to be the habit, not just first read and take off like a n00b. Its super obvious the offense is more dynamic with Lance because of his legs. Lets hope they can make him accurate and deadly from the pocket. So in a weird way in order to develop you WANT him to stay in the pocket as long as possible and make reads etc.

Rewatched the game and I think lance played even better than I originally thought given the circumstances. Converted several 3/4 and longs with nice throws. Was way better scrambling and moving than I expected. The designed runs/option plays are nice but the between the tackles stuff has to stop and that's on shanny. He seemed to get in a nice groove once we went to a little hurry up probably did t have as much time to overthink. I wish we could've got the ball back and saw a 2 minute offense out of him. I also wish he would've went for the pylon instead of lowering the boom. All in all he should be starting if healthy and my original stance was play jimmy. The kid has shown enough to get playing time.

I feel like having Kittle healthy would have made a big difference in that game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
On 12 designed runs, Lance averaged 3.7 ypc.
On 4 scrambles, Lance averaged 11.3 ypc.

Also, of the five holding penalties, two were called on designed runs. Two were called on scrambles. One was on a run play (Still trying to figure out how Dwelley was called for holding there).

Thanks for that. I have no problem with Lance using his legs when he sees a running lane versus man coverage (I don't know what coverages he was scrambling against vs ARI). Hopefully it forces defenses to devote a spy and/or play zone coverage to help contain his scrambling. Either of those things will help the passing game.

On his pick he had another 10+ run if he wanted it. Scrap the QB power nonsense he's not built to run over NFL front 7s.

I don't have a problem with throwing it on that INT. It was a terrible throw, but I thought it was the correct decision because he had Benjamin open.

(I think second drive of the game) There was a QB Power call on a 3rd & 7. Got 5 yards. Then they called it again on 4th & 2 - JJWatt schooled Dwelley and that was that. Turnover on downs. They don't have the players to execute these gap blocking concepts. I'm mainly referring to Mack and Brunskill. Also, Dwelley is not Kittle. Man, I wish we could see Kittle run block JJWatt, that would have been epic.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jcs:
Here are a few gifs...there is game film available on youtube too.









2017 Jimmy was a different type of QB than the guy whom kyle has since "developed" him into.

Good find.

Not really showing what is claimed. The deepest pass was throw after he moved to the left, shortening the distance. The bottom gif is a streak.

Also these are four passes from his 2016 year in New England. That isn't enough to judge. Moreover, it was before he got hurt.

In fact, who's to say it isn't injuries that was the biggest factor in him changing to a guy who throws the quick stuff all the time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The amount of b******t that people are making up in here is frustrating and exhausting to deal with.

Everyone wants to prove the other person wrong to the point they're making up what someone said EVEN THOUGH it's all in writing lol. WTF are we doing here.

It's coming to a point where a lot of people in here aren't worth having conversations with...people get so defensive over everything, everyone thinks they're right and know more than the other guy (I'm at fault too), people are so stubborn and would rather lie/make up s**t then accept that they might be wrong or someone else just might know more about something.

I'd bet money if people in here actually met one other these conversations would be totally different. There would be more humility and understanding. I mean we're all fans of the same team and yet it's always about one person vs other person in here, like if you're right that changes anything about what we watch on Sunday lol

Not a good idea. Especially with Alabama fans. Since after that Texas A&M game some weak Roll Tide fan shot another fan cause he couldn't deal with defeat.

lol I mean I'll chance it and say Bama is a good guy...it's pretty hardcore down there though.

I appreciate that and agree we would all most likely have a good time in real life.
I will also take this time to apologize for continuing to harp on my Lance stance.
I will hop on board and start finding positives, which there are a lot and I will post here in a bit when work slows down. Trying to catch up from a weekend vacation.

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't have a problem with throwing it on that INT. It was a terrible throw, but I thought it was the correct decision because he had Benjamin open.

(I think second drive of the game) There was a QB Power call on a 3rd & 7. Got 5 yards. Then they called it again on 4th & 2 - JJWatt schooled Dwelley and that was that. Turnover on downs. They don't have the players to execute these gap blocking concepts. I'm mainly referring to Mack and Brunskill. Also, Dwelley is not Kittle. Man, I wish we could see Kittle run block JJWatt, that would have been epic.

I'm curious if it was just a bad pass or he thought he needed to throw it high to get it over the LBs (who both had their backs turned to him IIRC).

Hopefully we see Kittle vs Watt in the next game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol how is more meaningful? That does not factor in YAC. We're talking about QB play. There's a reason why everyone focuses on IAY and ADot it is a MUCH better reflection of what the QB is doing overall…but I'm sure if his numbers were better you'd be all about it

Because YPA show how the offense is actually moving.
IAY does not.

IAY don't count for more than YAC yards. You're just obsessed with meaningless IAY.

It's literally a madden stat that was incorporated into FF that is now being used to judge real time NFL players by fans on this forum. Crazy stuff....

...and it's a disparaging stat for Jimmy for the anything-but-Jimmy crowd. That's the reality of it. If anything air yards tell us more about Kyle than anything.

TTT is far more informative. For instance, if your QB is top 5 annually in getting rid of the ball quickly, but he's still getting hit 125 times a year (top 2), what does that tell you about your pass protection? If your QB is up near or over 3sec, what do you need for pass protection and what do you expect in holdings and P.I. calls?

I just spent 20 minutes finding a correlation between winning and IAY/PA. The five QBs who have won the most since 2018 average being ranked 10 in that "meaningless" stat, and 12 in YPA. It's not meaningless. You just don't like the reality that our starting QB is limited in where he can successfully attack the field, and you refuse to believe that is a weakness.

Thank you for doing that but you're missing the boat. This isn't about the QB. It's about Kyle and his 13, now 14 years of evidence no matter the QB.

How many times do we have to prove you wrong on this? Do you even look when we post evidence that his scheme was more downfield in the past?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't have a problem with throwing it on that INT. It was a terrible throw, but I thought it was the correct decision because he had Benjamin open.

(I think second drive of the game) There was a QB Power call on a 3rd & 7. Got 5 yards. Then they called it again on 4th & 2 - JJWatt schooled Dwelley and that was that. Turnover on downs. They don't have the players to execute these gap blocking concepts. I'm mainly referring to Mack and Brunskill. Also, Dwelley is not Kittle. Man, I wish we could see Kittle run block JJWatt, that would have been epic.

I'm curious if it was just a bad pass or he thought he needed to throw it high to get it over the LBs (who both had their backs turned to him IIRC).

Hopefully we see Kittle vs Watt in the next game.

Hard to tell from the TV view, but yes there was an underneath defender. Sailed that pass way too high.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jcs:
Here are a few gifs...there is game film available on youtube too.









2017 Jimmy was a different type of QB than the guy whom kyle has since "developed" him into.

Good find.

Not really showing what is claimed. The deepest pass was throw after he moved to the left, shortening the distance. The bottom gif is a streak.

Also these are four passes from his 2016 year in New England. That isn't enough to judge. Moreover, it was before he got hurt.

In fact, who's to say it isn't injuries that was the biggest factor in him changing to a guy who throws the quick stuff all the time.

The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

Originally posted by dj43:
The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

DJ that was 6 years ago.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

DJ that was 6 years ago.

Did he make the throws or not?