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Originally posted by dj43:
The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

Who said he couldn't throw a 10 yard out route? If he was completely incapable of making those above throws he wouldn't even been in the NFL.

it's the lack of consistency in throwing 20 yards downfield. Why don't you show all the missed throws too? It's the fact that he really doesn't even attempt those throws even if the play is there to make it.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sorry ass playcall.. only two options against 6 defenders down field.. lol

And one of them is your FB.

Note this vs. the previous Garoppolo clips where there were 5 receiving options every time for Garoppolo in NE and an OL that didn't instantly cave in PP.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by dj43:
The assertion was that Jimmy was not capable of even those throws. The gifs prove that wrong.

He is currently in a system that focuses on quick throws. I would suggest part of that is the inability of the OL to provide an extra second of protection to allow those longer routes to develop.

DJ that was 6 years ago.

Did he make the throws or not?

Yes, there are a few examples of him making the throws 6 years ago. If you think thats relevant today, cool. I dont. No biggie.

It's relevant because he did it. Thanks.

Its irrelevant because he hasnt in 5 seasons. 6 years ago, Matt Ryan had the best QB season in the league. Does that matter in 2021?

Physically Matt Ryan can still make the throws. Did Matt Ryan have the same team and HC/OC 6 years ago??
Go get 'em boys!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
If "close-minded" is watching the sports and activities of my three kids rather than DVR-ing Josh Allen, yeah, give me some more of that. And the reference to your 85,000 posts is that, in your NY-style, you're going to just pave over other peoples opinion with volume to keep your narrative rolling. Go Jets! Or are you a Giants man?

Lol in my 85K posts you literally know nothing about me clearly with the NJ or Giants comment. You don't know where I came from or who I grew up watching...but yeah please continue.

What's the point in comparing him to someone if you've watched no one outside of some 49er games? Why not compare him to Steve young then? Tossing out every bad thing a "failed" QB did sure sounds like narrative pushing to me.

Also what is my narrative then? I simply think his game resembles other QBs in the league. I think his path to success if closer to what Josh Allen had to do. Not saying he will become him, just that they are very similar. How is that a narrative?

Because Young was a more accurate passer and could get attack a defense both ways. Would you be more comfortable if I compared him with Jim Druckenmiller? Druckenmiller had a cannon of an arm and thew everything with lots of sizzle, but struggled with accuracy. Lance is way more athletic than Druckenmiller, though. I think the Kaepernick comparison is actually pretty close with the caveat that we don't know how this story ends. Lance may refine his throwing like your guy Allen, or he may not. He may see the field better than Kap, or he may not. I already agreed with you that he's a better athlete who seems to be able to escape a rush better than Kap. But the passing is not there yet. He overthrows the short stuff. His ball placement is often difficult. He has had accuracy issues in his short QB career. And he looks most comfortable at this time tucking and running. Your narrative is play him now, play him now, play him now. Jimmy G. sucks ass, is never going to get us anywhere, and is inhibiting the development of Lance. Anyone who points out that Jimmy should be the guy this year over Lance is going to be met with a blizzard of twitter references and YouTube videos, and will be told they are ignorant. I thought Lance looked OK for a first start and am truly hopeful for his future. I think he may be better than Kap (and he may not be -- Kap almost led us to a Super Bowl win), but getting shouted down by pointing out obvious and recent comparisons about how NFL defenses put a running QB who is not accurate into a box ... it's just really obnoxious.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah?

He had both tackles hurt, RG and Matt Ryan was taking 125 QB hits like Garoppolo despite Garoppolo being the 5th fastest TTT?

Every naturally, we had a Julio Jones and a burner X and a young Sanu and two dynamic runners and excellent OL that year. There's a reason it was historic. Matt Ryan was also a more dynamic thrower and arm talent too.

That ATL OL was not excellent, they were a good run-blocking team. Not an elite PB OL either.

who was the burner X in ATL? Yes Matt Ryan is a better QB with a better arm, hence why his IAY was 2.5 yards more than Jimmy. That's kinda the pt.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sorry ass playcall.. only two options against 6 defenders down field.. lol

And one of them is your FB.

Note this vs. the previous Garoppolo clips where there were 5 receiving options every time for Garoppolo in NE and an OL that didn't instantly cave in PP.
Shan should have spread that Defense out, except he chose to run peewee football battle in the trenches plays
Originally posted by NCommand:
Go get 'em boys!


Maybe. We won't know until he gets more reps.
Lance needs to throw on the tape from years ago vs. Western Illinois to get back to what he does well.
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Because Young was a more accurate passer and could get attack a defense both ways. Would you be more comfortable if I compared him with Jim Druckenmiller? Druckenmiller had a cannon of an arm and thew everything with lots of sizzle, but struggled with accuracy. Lance is way more athletic than Druckenmiller, though. I think the Kaepernick comparison is actually pretty close with the caveat that we don't know how this story ends. Lance may refine his throwing like your guy Allen, or he may not. He may see the field better than Kap, or he may not. I already agreed with you that he's a better athlete who seems to be able to escape a rush better than Kap. But the passing is not there yet. He overthrows the short stuff. His ball placement is often difficult. He has had accuracy issues in his short QB career. And he looks most comfortable at this time tucking and running. Your narrative is play him now, play him now, play him now. Jimmy G. sucks ass, is never going to get us anywhere, and is inhibiting the development of Lance. Anyone who points out that Jimmy should be the guy this year over Lance is going to be met with a blizzard of twitter references and YouTube videos, and will be told they are ignorant. I thought Lance looked OK for a first start and am truly hopeful for his future. I think he may be better than Kap (and he may not be -- Kap almost led us to a Super Bowl win), but getting shouted down by pointing out obvious and recent comparisons about how NFL defenses put a running QB who is not accurate into a box ... it's just really obnoxious.

Young's completion % his 1st 4 yrs in the league was like 53% Lance's adjusted completion percentage was 75% last game. Even in that one game you could see improvement from the Seattle game.

he already sees the field better than Kap did. That is actually pretty obvious if you watch the film.

Lance should start because he needs to develop, he's the future not Jimmy. This isn't a SB roster…and Jimmy isn't a great QB.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh yeah?

He had both tackles hurt, RG and Matt Ryan was taking 125 QB hits like Garoppolo despite Garoppolo being the 5th fastest TTT?

Every naturally, we had a Julio Jones and a burner X and a young Sanu and two dynamic runners and excellent OL that year. There's a reason it was historic. Matt Ryan was also a more dynamic thrower and arm talent too.

That ATL OL was not excellent, they were a good run-blocking team. Not an elite PB OL either.

who was the burner X in ATL? Yes Matt Ryan is a better QB with a better arm, hence why his IAY was 2.5 yards more than Jimmy. That's kinda the pt.

They were that year. You don't put up historic numbers without it.

Robinson. Of course Kyle used him mostly for ghost routes to help Sanu, Tamm and Jones.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/archive/187/ATL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Go get 'em boys!


Must be another lazy WZer lol
Originally posted by NCommand:
They were that year. You don't put up historic numbers without it.

Robinson. Of course Kyle used him mostly for ghost routes to help Sanu, Tamm and Jones.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/archive/187/ATL

Football outsiders had them ranked 23rd overall in PB in 2016

you mean the great Aldrick Robinson who was actually on this team in 2017 lol?
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Oct 12, 2021 at 11:05 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Because Young was a more accurate passer and could get attack a defense both ways. Would you be more comfortable if I compared him with Jim Druckenmiller? Druckenmiller had a cannon of an arm and thew everything with lots of sizzle, but struggled with accuracy. Lance is way more athletic than Druckenmiller, though. I think the Kaepernick comparison is actually pretty close with the caveat that we don't know how this story ends. Lance may refine his throwing like your guy Allen, or he may not. He may see the field better than Kap, or he may not. I already agreed with you that he's a better athlete who seems to be able to escape a rush better than Kap. But the passing is not there yet. He overthrows the short stuff. His ball placement is often difficult. He has had accuracy issues in his short QB career. And he looks most comfortable at this time tucking and running. Your narrative is play him now, play him now, play him now. Jimmy G. sucks ass, is never going to get us anywhere, and is inhibiting the development of Lance. Anyone who points out that Jimmy should be the guy this year over Lance is going to be met with a blizzard of twitter references and YouTube videos, and will be told they are ignorant. I thought Lance looked OK for a first start and am truly hopeful for his future. I think he may be better than Kap (and he may not be -- Kap almost led us to a Super Bowl win), but getting shouted down by pointing out obvious and recent comparisons about how NFL defenses put a running QB who is not accurate into a box ... it's just really obnoxious.

Young's completion % his 1st 4 yrs in the league was like 53% Lance's adjusted completion percentage was 75% last game. Even in that one game you could see improvement from the Seattle game.

he already sees the field better than Kap did. That is actually pretty obvious if you watch the film.

Lance should start because he needs to develop, he's the future not Jimmy. This isn't a SB roster…and Jimmy isn't a great QB.

Steve Young 2.0 would be so ideal.

He's a tough comparison simply because of his career path. He was horrendous in Tampa and had to virtually unlearn a ton of s**t, recalibrate with Walsh sitting behind Montana for years, then learn on the field and unlearn some more bad habits before he FINALLY got it.

Trey is more of a clay mold that Kyle is slowly trying to bring along and not put him in bad positions to develop poor habits. Ironically.

I'm more looking forward to seeing a more Kyle-like offense. Snaps under C, PA with his back to the defense, roll outs, < 10 yard routes, check in/out, 3-5-7 step timing drops, etc. That's the growth he really needs.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
They were that year. You don't put up historic numbers without it.

Robinson. Of course Kyle used him mostly for ghost routes to help Sanu, Tamm and Jones.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/archive/187/ATL

Football outsiders had them ranked 23rd overall in PB in 2016

Meh. Matt Ryan isn't exactly the most mobile QB in the league so that certainly doesn't add up with reality. Unless Kyle found <2.5sec success on first down reads nearly every down.
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