Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
That is a beautiful pass. I am hopeful for this kid, not rooting for his failure. I don't think he'll be able to put the whole package together this year to get us to 11 or 12 wins and a playoff spot. I think Jimmy can do that, though I acknowledge his limitations. Also, a good season by Jimmy might net us some trade value to recover from that jacked up trade.

I don't think either QB is getting 11-12 wins. Maybe Jimmy magically turns it around...I'm just being realistic with it.

I have faith in players who are playing for next year's contract. We can beat the Colts, Bears, Jaguars, Vikings, Bengals, Falcons and Texans. Split with the Rams and Seahawks, and flip a coin against Tennessee. Our defense may be improving here, which is key. Regain a little health. Could happen. If they s**t the bed, give the last 5 or 6 games to Trey. And USE Trey selectively in the games we need to win without putting the whole onus on his shoulders. This has been foretold by Shanahan and I think he's right.

TONS of people thought Pat Mahomes would be a bust

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
f**k me that's a dime

Trey climbs the pocket and throws a dime to Sanu for a 1st down and of course it's dropped on 3rd and 11. #49ers #FTTB #CC@JL_Chapman pic.twitter.com/e61dPvljKy

— Juan Salas (@49ersRushPodcst) October 12, 2021

That is a beautiful pass. I am hopeful for this kid, not rooting for his failure. I don't think he'll be able to put the whole package together this year to get us to 11 or 12 wins and a playoff spot. I think Jimmy can do that, though I acknowledge his limitations. Also, a good season by Jimmy might net us some trade value to recover from that jacked up trade.

Wow I didn't even realize how great this pass was, until today!

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I absolutely can be wrong. You and I both have admitted that we've missed before. Trey can be great. I'm not seeing it right now. Infeel like he isn't a natural qb. I hope I'm wrong. Right now he's playing like a deer in the headlights.

Now you admit that he could potentially be a bust.

Any player can be a bust...I don't think he will be with Kyle and this roster. He isn't a finished product and everyone said that from day 1. He's the 5th youngest QB to EVER start a football game. He hasn't played meaningful football since 2019. He turned 21 a couple months ago. How in the world can you call someone like that a bust? They aren't even remotely close to being a finished product.

He most certainly didn't look like deer in headlights vs AZ. Nate has forgotten more about football then anyone in here and has no ties to SF.


Did he miss some throws and reads, yes. Every rookie QB does. Lawrence has, Wilson has, McCorkle has, Fields has etc. They all were starters for longer or had more passing attempts then him in college. Most of those dudes had starting reps in the preseason, Lance has not. I tried telling you all this and how that s**t matters....you develop by playing football. Kid looked better just from that Seattle game to the AZ game. Give him a yr or two and we very well could be talking about Josh Allen type play. It's a process and it sounds like you're unable to wait for that process.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:


Apparently fans must be right 100% of the time and must easily project to the next level. But whatever makes him feel better.

Never said that, how about you own up to it instead? How about you take a little bit of what you did with mahomes and NOT do it with Lance, learn from your mistakes & have a little humility, realize you just might be wrong? OR don't and call him a bust after one game and hold onto that like you think you know more than Kyle and all the other NFL analysts that actually get paid a lot of money to do that? Whatever seems pretty unproductive and boring to think a guy is just gonna suck because he wasn't your pick, such is SM everyone thinks there right and most don't have a clue.

I absolutely can be wrong. You and I both have admitted that we've missed before. Trey can be great. I'm not seeing it right now. Infeel like he isn't a natural qb. I hope I'm wrong. Right now he's playing like a deer in the headlights.

Now you admit that he could potentially be a bust.

I heard that the reason he went to NDSU was they were the only ones that wanted him as a QB. His other offers wanted him to play some other position. JG wasn't a QB originally. He played LB in high school. Guys can change positions and be successful. No question Lance isn't a refined QB. Everyone knew that when he was drafted. He was a gamble but sometimes you have to gamble if you want to hit it big. John and Kyle will own this if it doesn't work but if it does they'll win a lot of games.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
I have faith in players who are playing for next year's contract. We can beat the Colts, Bears, Jaguars, Vikings, Bengals, Falcons and Texans. Split with the Rams and Seahawks, and flip a coin against Tennessee. Our defense may be improving here, which is key. Regain a little health. Could happen. If they s**t the bed, give the last 5 or 6 games to Trey. And USE Trey selectively in the games we need to win without putting the whole onus on his shoulders. This has been foretold by Shanahan and I think he's right.

+1, 100%. None of those teams should scare this team, Titans included along with the NFC West games.

The bold I especially agree with.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
its ok I have thick skin ...... besides I hope I'm wrong and they are right... but at this point I just don't see it

Im in the same boat. I really hope Im wrong, but I dont see it either. Im just sitting back waiting to see something positive.

Yeah and you apparently didn't see it with Mahomes too

Damn...imagine thinking Mahomes was Kap 2.0

How can anyone even make that comparison...they were nothing alike lol

All after one start too. The analysis is super impressive.

Hey if you don't get it right the first time, might as well double down with the same analysts

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
TONS of people thought Pat Mahomes would be a bust

Oh that doesn't matter, Kyle shouldn't have, that's what I've been told

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
no,
your original take was made in comparison to Kap with "Kap issues", of which I pushed back on

so yes, for your sake. there's more reasons to be hopeful about with Trey than there ever were with Kap.

not talking about Jimmy. Jimmy's irrelevant here.

Yes, like winding up, throwing it too hard, throwing it without touch, throwing it inaccurately, and a desire to run north-south. How is it so controversial to compare obvious similarities between Lance and Kaepernick? The key distinction, you argue, is that Lance is looking down field and is going to make the plays that Kaepernick couldn't. My reply to that is, fine, when he is doing that we'll know. Won't need to study tape of where his eyes and feet are on still pause, because he'll be consistently moving chains and breaking the backs of defenses. He's not there yet. I'm not bitter that he's not there yet. It was well advertised that he'll need time to sit and develop. But, in the meantime, I'd rather see us try to make the playoffs this year with Jimmy.

1 thing that also separates them as well is, Lance came from an offense in college that was under center a lot. more pro style. kap did not. all shotgun/pistol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
TONS of people thought Pat Mahomes would be a bust

Oh that doesn't matter, Kyle shouldn't have, that's what I've been told

He's a "QB whisperer", isn't he?

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
TONS of people thought Pat Mahomes would be a bust

Oh that doesn't matter, Kyle shouldn't have, that's what I've been told

He's a "QB whisperer", isn't he?

If he is maybe he should speak louder.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Ok. Pay me millions of dollars to be wrong. Shanahan is paid to evaluate and watch hours of film. He is paid to build this team. He missed on mahommes, one mistake. Understandable. But do you really want to go through all of his mistakes? When you make mistake over and over again, then you get questioned. It seems people on here are catching on to shanahan.

You sound fine with him missing on Mahomes originally? Damn near EVERY team missed on Mahomes (KC was drafting like 26th any team could have moved up if they thought he was gonna be who he was) and even Andy has missed on QBs in the past all the same.

So that SB roster wasn't on him? We have what 3 players at 3 different positions that just reset the market at their positions because they're that good. Bosa will be next. Deebo will be highly paid. This roster doesn't suck. Is it SB caliber right now? No it's not...a main part of that is because the QB. They're in a transition and that s**t takes time, Jed is fine with that SO I suggest you be fine with it because you can't fire Kyle. Lance will be just fine and needs time....



Also EVERY HC/GM misses. Bill and Carroll are two of the worst drafting HCs in the league yr after yr. YET had their QB and that's what matters.

Look if Lance ends up being a massive bust you'll get your wish and everyone will be gone. I'm sure they will get some great HC/GM to come in after that too And I'm sure you'll b***h about that all the same....Kyle will be scooped up faster than you've ever seen and be just fine.

I'm sure the Dolphins are perfectly happy they chose Tua over Herbert.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I heard that the reason he went to NDSU was they were the only ones that wanted him as a QB. His other offers wanted him to play some other position. JG wasn't a QB originally. He played LB in high school. Guys can change positions and be successful. No question Lance isn't a refined QB. Everyone knew that when he was drafted. He was a gamble but sometimes you have to gamble if you want to hit it big. John and Kyle will own this if it doesn't work but if it does they'll win a lot of games.

Boise State offered him a scholarship to play QB for them, he said no because he already told NDSU that he would go there.

Josh Allen was a 2 star recruit and had one offer from Wyoming. Mahomes was a 3 star recruit and only had offers from Houston/Rice/Texas Tech. Russel Wilson was a 2 star recruit and had two offers ended up at NCS. His coach granted him his request to transfer in part because they were gonna go with Mike Glennon (and because he wanted to try playing baseball too). He finished out at Wisconsin.

Now they're 3 of the best QBs in the NFL....they weren't super stars that had years of QB coaching and camps. It's about the skill set and the intangibles to want to be great. All three of those dudes had that and everything we hear about Lance is the same.

Originally posted by Koldo:
He's a "QB whisperer", isn't he?

Who said he was? What I've seen is he gets the most out of all the QBs that he has on the team...I don't think that's wrong.

How can any of you have productive discussions/debates with this thread moving so fast?

You can clean it up and slow it down a bit, by not debating some who are trolling (have trolled in the past), concern trolling (pretending to be worried to worry others), thread s**tting.