Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Pretty much. I love Jimmy, but I rarely feel like he can put the team on his back and carry them to victory by himself.

Watching the Seahawks circle the drain without Russell Wilson is a reminder of how integral having that great QB is to winning. I read that Pete Carroll is now 14-20 in Seattle without #3. That's wild.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

Lol. Even though I don't agree with this, the argument really ain't an argument considering our vet 25 million a year current starter looks exactly the same minus the athleticism.

One has time to grow, the other has been given time and has regressed. Seems like a simple choice at this point of the season.

every qb under the direction of kyle cept for jimmy in one year. one year out of five has failed.. i am scared for trey to play under this so called coach and teachers we have. our team has a whole has regressed which happens when you have a coach who can not or will not adjust. and coaches not to lose

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Lol. Even though I don't agree with this, the argument really ain't an argument considering our vet 25 million a year current starter looks exactly the same minus the athleticism.

One has time to grow, the other has been given time and has regressed. Seems like a simple choice at this point of the season.

not to the jimmy stans

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Yeah I'm Team Kyle and John but I'd fire them before the clock hit 00:00 if they went 2-15. I'd fire them for 5-12 while we are at it short of Lance putting together a Justin Herbert like rookie year.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

Lol. Even though I don't agree with this, the argument really ain't an argument considering our vet 25 million a year current starter looks exactly the same minus the athleticism.

One has time to grow, the other has been given time and has regressed. Seems like a simple choice at this point of the season.

every qb under the direction of kyle cept for jimmy in one year. one year out of five has failed.. i am scared for trey to play under this so called coach and teachers we have. our team has a whole has regressed which happens when you have a coach who can not or will not adjust. and coaches not to lose

I hear you. We all have this thought in our minds.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

Lol. Even though I don't agree with this, the argument really ain't an argument considering our vet 25 million a year current starter looks exactly the same minus the athleticism.

One has time to grow, the other has been given time and has regressed. Seems like a simple choice at this point of the season.

every qb under the direction of kyle cept for jimmy in one year. one year out of five has failed.. i am scared for trey to play under this so called coach and teachers we have. our team has a whole has regressed which happens when you have a coach who can not or will not adjust. and coaches not to lose

Hand to defend Kyle now but those QBs haven't gone elsewhere and excelled. Seems like more of a problem evaluating QBs than the actual coaching. I think Kyle got all anyone could get out of Mullens (over 4000 yards passing in his first 16 starts, over 20 TDs, etc).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So lose with Jimmy or lose with Trey? One guy needs reps and is the future and the other is a lame duck QB that could get hurt and cost SF an extra $7.5M in 2022 (if on IR)

Sitting and learning what exactly? You can only learn so much by being the scout QB and running the other teams offense. You can only learn so much by watching the same film you'd be watching if you were playing (actually less because it's not film of you playing).

He's never gonna be 100% ready...he's gotta play football. Get the lumps in now, instead of 2022.

I asked people in here do you think Lance would have looked better vs AZ if he got all the 1st team reps in the off season, preseason, practices and started from day 1? If you think so, then what has basically sitting for 5+ months done? Why is sitting for another 5 months gonna make him that much better?

There is a whole world of learning a lot about pre snap and post reads and decision making as he watches JG operate. Developing an NFL QB is a lot more than teaching them the playbook and then throwing them into the deep end. The NFL is a whole nother animal with what he sees from defenses and that's before one even factors in the speed of the game being a lot faster too.

A QB who doesn't know what he is seeing or doesn't know how to adjust to it, is more likely to make costly mental mistakes, develop bad habits and or get his ass killed out there. The game does not slow down when you are struggling to see things.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Lol still haven't beaten the 16 game schedule out of my body yet.

Now Eddie might have fired him. But we just drafted a rookie QB, and as you said, no guarantee the next guy is high on our four pick investment QB. Which is why I think Lance gets one more year regardless of what happens.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Jed is too scared to fire anyone after the Harbaugh thing.

Jimmy will be given the entire year to start at QB and suck.

Jed will let the contract play out while Kyle develops Trey starting next year. His rookie year will be postponed to 2022. So maybe sniff the playoffs in 2024.

It is what it is people

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

Y'all say this as if it matters at this point. Jimmy can be a god damn football rain man but what does it matter if it's not producing wins? Scratch that, not only is it not producing wins, the offense under Jimmy has struggled immensely.

I was good with rolling with Jimmy because of SB aspirations and all that but that ain't looking good any more. So if Jimmy isn't providing any advantage why still roll with him?

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Jed is too scared to fire anyone after the Harbaugh thing.

Jimmy will be given the entire year to start at QB and suck.

Jed will let the contract play out while Kyle develops Trey starting next year. His rookie year will be postponed to 2022. So maybe sniff the playoffs in 2024.

It is what it is people

sniff the playoffs in 2024?

Jed is nutcase and no way he waits that long, it would be 5 years from the last playoff appearance.

I still think Kyle is on the hot seat in 2022 and if Lance looks like the least developed QB of his class by the end of that season and we come out with a losing record that he's done here.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

You can say this with confidence how? Lance played fairly well vs Arizona. I don't recall him having too many missed reads - missed throws yes, missed reads nothing that showed rookie who can't play right now if given the opportunity.

You act like the only missed throw Jimmy had was on the last pick where rain was an issue. That's not true. Jimmy isn't Tom Brady out there and Lance isn't a rookie who is completely lost out there.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Jed is too scared to fire anyone after the Harbaugh thing.

Jimmy will be given the entire year to start at QB and suck.

Jed will let the contract play out while Kyle develops Trey starting next year. His rookie year will be postponed to 2022. So maybe sniff the playoffs in 2024.

It is what it is people

sniff the playoffs in 2024?

Jed is nutcase and no way he waits that long, it would be 5 years from the last playoff appearance.

I still think Kyle is on the hot seat in 2022 and if Lance looks like the least developed QB of his class by the end of that season and we come out with a losing record that he's done here.

I really think that if this team plays like they did Sunday night down the stretch of the season, Kyle is gone. We looked so lost on offense and so uninspired. It's easy to say, "well, the qb didn't play well". No one did. The OL sucked except for about 4 runs, the WR's didn't make much happen, TE's were piss poor and IDGAF what PFF says, they were bad, and this was against a Colts team that has a severely banged up secondary. Why would you keep giving the guy a chance next year if this is how bad the team looks? Again, I'm one of Kyle's biggest fans but this is hard to excuse at this point.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

You can say this with confidence how? Lance played fairly well vs Arizona. I don't recall him having too many missed reads - missed throws yes, missed reads nothing that showed rookie who can't play right now if given the opportunity.

You act like the only missed throw Jimmy had was on the last pick where rain was an issue. That's not true. Jimmy isn't Tom Brady out there and Lance isn't a rookie who is completely lost out there.

I can. It's true, it's not even close. That's not a knock on Lance. One thing Jimmy has been pretty good at are his reads. No QB is 100% but you guys are listening to too many twitter heads. Vs ARI I saw quite a few missed or late reads by Lance - that's to be expected. He's raw. Don't know why this is even debatable.