Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Allen is a unicorn of a prospect.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

Originally posted by jcs:
Allen is a unicorn of a prospect.

Better hope that Lance is a unicorn too. Pretty much everything will be riding on him becoming a top flight NFL QB.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

You can say this with confidence how? Lance played fairly well vs Arizona. I don't recall him having too many missed reads - missed throws yes, missed reads nothing that showed rookie who can't play right now if given the opportunity.

You act like the only missed throw Jimmy had was on the last pick where rain was an issue. That's not true. Jimmy isn't Tom Brady out there and Lance isn't a rookie who is completely lost out there.

I can. It's true, it's not even close. That's not a knock on Lance. One thing Jimmy has been pretty good at are his reads. No QB is 100% but you guys are listening to too many twitter heads. Vs ARI I saw quite a few missed or late reads by Lance - that's to be expected. He's raw. Don't know why this is even debatable.

Always appreciate your take jonny but how many missed reads did you see?

Jimmy SHOULD be better in the mental part of playing QB in this offense. He's been here long enough. Would you say Trey is out there just being an athlete running around like he doesn't know where to go with the ball unless he sees it? Because SD's post basically made it seem like that.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Can't see Shanahan getting fired this year, even if we go 2-14. John, sure, and then Kyle is on the ultra hot seat.

Maybe i'm getting too pessimistic this season, but I could see Kyle getting fired if we go 2-15(I know, the 17 game thing still messes with me too).

What's Kyle's excuse this year? Jimmy? No, you went to an F'n super bowl with the guy - that's not an excuse and if he was really so bad that he was the reason this team tanks, then why TF did Kyle have him in the plans anyway? Why waste 25m on him? There's not excuse for that. Injuries? Every team has injuries and if relying on Jason Verrett and Mostert - both with significant injury history, after 5 years of seeing often injured players be often injured - you can't excuse that. Going 2-15 after you give up 3, 1st round picks 2 years removed from a SB? Nahhh, if it's that bad, I'd be on the "fire kyle" bandwagon and I've been one of his biggest fans since he was hired.

Are we saying Eddie DeBartolo wouldn't have at least fired Kyle Sunday night and hired him back Monday morning?

Jed is too scared to fire anyone after the Harbaugh thing.

Jimmy will be given the entire year to start at QB and suck.

Jed will let the contract play out while Kyle develops Trey starting next year. His rookie year will be postponed to 2022. So maybe sniff the playoffs in 2024.

It is what it is people

sniff the playoffs in 2024?

Jed is nutcase and no way he waits that long, it would be 5 years from the last playoff appearance.

I still think Kyle is on the hot seat in 2022 and if Lance looks like the least developed QB of his class by the end of that season and we come out with a losing record that he's done here.

I really think that if this team plays like they did Sunday night down the stretch of the season, Kyle is gone. We looked so lost on offense and so uninspired. It's easy to say, "well, the qb didn't play well". No one did. The OL sucked except for about 4 runs, the WR's didn't make much happen, TE's were piss poor and IDGAF what PFF says, they were bad, and this was against a Colts team that has a severely banged up secondary. Why would you keep giving the guy a chance next year if this is how bad the team looks? Again, I'm one of Kyle's biggest fans but this is hard to excuse at this point.

They'll play better next week. This team is just soft and plays like a dome team. Obviously the bad weather just completely knocked the sails out of them this game. I don't read into it that much.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

I blame Aiyuk for playing poorly and struggling to get open far too often. I don't know what is going on with him but he needs to snap out of it.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

Jonny get outta here with this s**t. Trying to scare our precious Mayo.

You know if a new coach comes in, he would be required to make Trey work for a few years. That would be part of the obligation of taking the job. Besides new coach won't be able to trade Trey, without looking like an idiot (by giving up on a young QB before even trying to use him).

And no Kyle ain't gonna get fired. Unless it looks like he's mishandling Trey's health with loses the rest of the year.

I personally think Trey will play fine. He did ok vs the best team in the league right now.

Lol Johnny is closer to wanting to fire Shanahan then to say he was wrong about Jimmy.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Is Trey in Kyle's doghouse?? Wtf

No he's just a rookie. It's tough for them. He also has the locker room to consider

And, he's hurt, another week off will do him good. Don't worry this will be Jimmy's last game, than it's Trey the rest of the way.

I don't think that's something to be happy about. If they go to Trey and he looks bad the rest of the year, I could easily see Kyle and Co being gone. Then what do you do? There's no guarantee the next guy is high on Lance. Then what?

I can't imagine they would hire someone that's not high on him. Those are the questions you ask during the interview process before you hire someone.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

Thinking Aiyuk is a deep threat is just as ridiculous. We don't have a deep threat unless via scheme. Deebo is as close as it gets and that's only because of his will to win at the high point, not his natural skill set.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

I agree. A wr cannot produce unless he is being targeted. All a wr needs is a step or two past the corner and a well placed pass in order to win deep down the sideline.

Anyone who watches football week in and week out sees offenses take those deep shots. They typically end up a big offensive play, a dpi or an incompletion. We never see those type of shots in this offense. The only play I can think of is when there was a blown coverage and Deebo was wide open for a 70+ yard td. Every other deep shot is in the middle of the field and usually after a playaction.

If Aiyuk had the opportunity to beat his man one on one outside a few times, perhaps db's would stop sitting on the underneath routes. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

I agree. A wr cannot produce unless he is being targeted. All a wr needs is a step or two past the corner and a well placed pass in order to win deep down the sideline.

Anyone who watches football week in and week out sees offenses take those deep shots. They typically end up a big offensive play, a dpi or an incompletion. We never see those type of shots in this offense. The only play I can think of is when there was a blown coverage and Deebo was wide open for a 70+ yard td. Every other deep shot is in the middle of the field and usually after a playaction.

If Aiyuk had the opportunity to beat his man one on one outside a few times, perhaps db's would stop sitting on the underneath routes. Just my opinion.

That's Kyle more than anything. Oscar said it best on his podcast today: "Kyle is risk-aversive."

His entire career confirms he stays true to the higher % in his 80% zone.

Going forward, those are going to come far more on off schedule plays with Trey than by design with Kyle.