Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by evil:
There is a whole world of learning a lot about pre snap and post reads and decision making as he watches JG operate. Developing an NFL QB is a lot more than teaching them the playbook and then throwing them into the deep end. The NFL is a whole nother animal with what he sees from defenses and that's before one even factors in the speed of the game being a lot faster too.

A QB who doesn't know what he is seeing or doesn't know how to adjust to it, is more likely to make costly mental mistakes, develop bad habits and or get his ass killed out there. The game does not slow down when you are struggling to see things.

Stopped reading when you said watch how Jimmy operates.

I posted this and wanted a response...So far Lance as "red shirt" basically for 5+ months. Do you think he would have played better vs AZ if he got all the reps in TC/OTAs, preseason, practices and started day 1 OR would he have looked exactly the same as he did getting a week of practices reps and starting his first game because our lame duck starting QB got hurt again? IF him sitting and "developing" led to that week 5 game then just start him now....because he isn't learning s**t holding a clipboard.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thinking Aiyuk is a deep threat is just as ridiculous. We don't have a deep threat unless via scheme. Deebo is as close as it gets and that's only because of his will to win at the high point, not his natural skill set.

He was a deep threat in college. He was wide f**king open on a deep route on SNF. BA is most certainly a deep threat, but the starting QB is in total b***h mode right now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

I agree. A wr cannot produce unless he is being targeted. All a wr needs is a step or two past the corner and a well placed pass in order to win deep down the sideline.

Anyone who watches football week in and week out sees offenses take those deep shots. They typically end up a big offensive play, a dpi or an incompletion. We never see those type of shots in this offense. The only play I can think of is when there was a blown coverage and Deebo was wide open for a 70+ yard td. Every other deep shot is in the middle of the field and usually after a playaction.

If Aiyuk had the opportunity to beat his man one on one outside a few times, perhaps db's would stop sitting on the underneath routes. Just my opinion.

That's Kyle more than anything. Oscar said it best on his podcast today: "Kyle is risk-aversive."

His entire career confirms he stays true to the higher % in his 80% zone.

Going forward, those are going to come far more on off schedule plays with Trey than by design with Kyle.

Yes. Its quite obvious its more scheme than anything else. How often do those plays end in an int though? Of course they are a low percentage play by completion % but the odds are actually in favor of the offense when adding in rate of pi's with completions. Not only that but letting a defense know that this wr can get past you one on one changes coverages and will open up the middle of the field for Kyle's bread and butter plays.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

So great at reading the defense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:
There is a whole world of learning a lot about pre snap and post reads and decision making as he watches JG operate. Developing an NFL QB is a lot more than teaching them the playbook and then throwing them into the deep end. The NFL is a whole nother animal with what he sees from defenses and that's before one even factors in the speed of the game being a lot faster too.

A QB who doesn't know what he is seeing or doesn't know how to adjust to it, is more likely to make costly mental mistakes, develop bad habits and or get his ass killed out there. The game does not slow down when you are struggling to see things.

Stopped reading when you said watch how Jimmy operates.

I posted this and wanted a response...So far Lance as "red shirt" basically for 5+ months. Do you think he would have played better vs AZ if he got all the reps in TC/OTAs, preseason, practices and started day 1 OR would he have looked exactly the same as he did getting a week of practices reps and starting his first game because our lame duck starting QB got hurt again? IF him sitting and "developing" led to that week 5 game then just start him now....because he isn't learning s**t holding a clipboard.

Mister Objective, what a laugh. Maybe you should invest in a good dictionary.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's Kyle more than anything. Oscar said it best on his podcast today: "Kyle is risk-aversive."

His entire career confirms he stays true to the higher % in his 80% zone.

Going forward, those are going to come far more on off schedule plays with Trey than by design with Kyle.

Needing everyone to run your offense perfectly for a long drawn out drive is more risky then pushing the ball downfield in today's game...Kyle talked about Josh Allen after getting destroyed by him & at that point it seemed like he finally got it, drafting Lance also showed that BUT from the looks of it this yr, he still thinks scheme wins and it's like he didn't watch all these loses this yr and how they happened.

Time to let Lance play football...let him get comfortable with his teammates and call plays he feels good with running. Add more to his plate as we go.

I could careless if Jimmy runs his scheme a little better...it's clearly not working. With Jimmy if it's a bad read, blown block, bad route, poor throw the play is over. That great play call is pointless. There's not extending plays or of script stuff with him. He's not saving Kyle's ass when someone f**ks up. Lance can do that and imo is smart enough to run Kyle's offense as he plays more.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. Its quite obvious its more scheme than anything else. How often do those plays end in an int though? Of course they are a low percentage play by completion % but the odds are actually in favor of the offense when adding in rate of pi's with completions. Not only that but letting a defense know that this wr can get past you one on one changes coverages and will open up the middle of the field for Kyle's bread and butter plays.

Just let your player go make a play....s**t you spent a top 25 pick on your WR, gave your TE $85M and Deebo is currently in god mode, toss that b***h up there and let them make a play. We see every other damn QB do it in the league right now...if Kyle wanted elite separation he should have drafted Jeudy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thinking Aiyuk is a deep threat is just as ridiculous. We don't have a deep threat unless via scheme. Deebo is as close as it gets and that's only because of his will to win at the high point, not his natural skill set.

He was a deep threat in college. He was wide f**king open on a deep route on SNF. BA is most certainly a deep threat, but the starting QB is in total b***h mode right now.

Meh. This is the pros though. You've gotta do it consistently esp. with Kyle as the play caller. And like Eric Davis said, most deep routes are ghost routes in this system, designed to get underneath guys open for higher % plays.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Needing everyone to run your offense perfectly for a long drawn out drive is more risky then pushing the ball downfield in today's game...Kyle talked about Josh Allen after getting destroyed by him & at that point it seemed like he finally got it, drafting Lance also showed that BUT from the looks of it this yr, he still thinks scheme wins and it's like he didn't watch all these loses this yr and how they happened.

Time to let Lance play football...let him get comfortable with his teammates and call plays he feels good with running. Add more to his plate as we go.

I could careless if Jimmy runs his scheme a little better...it's clearly not working. With Jimmy if it's a bad read, blown block, bad route, poor throw the play is over. That great play call is pointless. There's not extending plays or of script stuff with him. He's not saving Kyle's ass when someone f**ks up. Lance can do that and imo is smart enough to run Kyle's offense as he plays more.

The 2021 Bills average TD drive is 9 plays and they haven't had a single TD drive under 7 plays that didn't start on the opposing team's side of the field.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Hope this dude goes full Josh Allen over the next couple of years, otherwise the future of this team will be depressing as hell.

Then we better get him a Stefon Diggs. Look at Allen's production pre-post Diggs - not even close.

That is true. Kyle is trying. He failed with Pettis and now it's on Aiyuk. There is already a sense of trust there between Lance and Aiyuk so that's good. I'm basing this off how the two worked together this offseason, and in the ARI game, Lance threw twice to Aiyuk when Aiyuk was well covered, yet both throws resulted in completions.

blaming Aiyuk when Jimmy never takes shots deep is ridiculous.

I agree. A wr cannot produce unless he is being targeted. All a wr needs is a step or two past the corner and a well placed pass in order to win deep down the sideline.

Anyone who watches football week in and week out sees offenses take those deep shots. They typically end up a big offensive play, a dpi or an incompletion. We never see those type of shots in this offense. The only play I can think of is when there was a blown coverage and Deebo was wide open for a 70+ yard td. Every other deep shot is in the middle of the field and usually after a playaction.

If Aiyuk had the opportunity to beat his man one on one outside a few times, perhaps db's would stop sitting on the underneath routes. Just my opinion.

That's Kyle more than anything. Oscar said it best on his podcast today: "Kyle is risk-aversive."

His entire career confirms he stays true to the higher % in his 80% zone.

Going forward, those are going to come far more on off schedule plays with Trey than by design with Kyle.

Yes. Its quite obvious its more scheme than anything else. How often do those plays end in an int though? Of course they are a low percentage play by completion % but the odds are actually in favor of the offense when adding in rate of pi's with completions. Not only that but letting a defense know that this wr can get past you one on one changes coverages and will open up the middle of the field for Kyle's bread and butter plays.

Totally agree.

A game like the Colts is THE perfect example of how risk-aversive Kyle is. Their entire secondary was injured, dropping like flies during the game too, he's seeing THEM have success deep esp. with P.I.'s in the rain, and still...what, maybe he called one deep route where that route is the primary? Maybe?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was a deep threat in college. He was wide f**king open on a deep route on SNF. BA is most certainly a deep threat, but the starting QB is in total b***h mode right now.

Mullens threw a deep ball to him in that Buffalo game last year. If the ball was better thrown that's a touchdown that was thrown deep down the sideline. It's nonesense people are saying that Aiyuk isn't a deep threat.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

So great at reading the defense.

Is there a QB in this still pic?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's Kyle more than anything. Oscar said it best on his podcast today: "Kyle is risk-aversive."

His entire career confirms he stays true to the higher % in his 80% zone.

Going forward, those are going to come far more on off schedule plays with Trey than by design with Kyle.

Needing everyone to run your offense perfectly for a long drawn out drive is more risky then pushing the ball downfield in today's game...Kyle talked about Josh Allen after getting destroyed by him & at that point it seemed like he finally got it, drafting Lance also showed that BUT from the looks of it this yr, he still thinks scheme wins and it's like he didn't watch all these loses this yr and how they happened.

Time to let Lance play football...let him get comfortable with his teammates and call plays he feels good with running. Add more to his plate as we go.

I could careless if Jimmy runs his scheme a little better...it's clearly not working. With Jimmy if it's a bad read, blown block, bad route, poor throw the play is over. That great play call is pointless. There's not extending plays or of script stuff with him. He's not saving Kyle's ass when someone f**ks up. Lance can do that and imo is smart enough to run Kyle's offense as he plays more.

I'm all in with Trey now. No doubt. They need to use this as an extended pre season and try this and that and get him ready for next year! See what kinds of receivers he needs.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is there a QB in this still pic?

Yeah the same one that plants and never moves after his slide step, regardless if the pocket is collapsing. Is that one of the slowest WRs in the NFL getting open deep? Can't be, need to be a burner for that, everyone knows that

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was a deep threat in college. He was wide f**king open on a deep route on SNF. BA is most certainly a deep threat, but the starting QB is in total b***h mode right now.

Mullens threw a deep ball to him in that Buffalo game last year. If the ball was better thrown that's a touchdown that was thrown deep down the sideline. It's nonesense people are saying that Aiyuk isn't a deep threat.

Dude is struggling so bad on basic routes he's getting called out publicly by his HC and GM but you think he's a deep threat?