Originally posted by jonnydel: Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Ooooh you'll finally start doing that huh?
Here's your Packers game break down...NOT ONE real criticism of Jimmy, if fact you felt you had to defend him toward the end to prove he is playing well.
Yet your whole video purposely ignores plays like these.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Im getting irritated at this still being shared. I have the play art, Deebo is #1 vs this look.
Irritated? Why? You can have the play art, Deebo be the #1 vs the look and it was still the wrong decision. There's progressions when #1 is covered no? The CB was all over Deebo and the play
Ehh, not the same. So, the play is designed to go against C2, that's the divide concept. It puts the strong side safety in a horizontal stretch. The play art shows Deebo running a fade vs cloud(C2 squat corner) and a sight adjust to a curl vs C1 with Deebo as the primary and only because he's isolated 1v1 with a corner.
This is the same play Lance threw the contested ball to Aiyuk vs ARI, also got a negated PI on a batted ball - same play. It's a timing throws the qb is to throw thr ball before the receiver stops, which is what happened.
He ran the play the same way I've seen it run for years.
So you telling me that no matter what the ball is going there? Aside from a screen play, I've never heard of a play that has one read and the ball goes there no matter what, this is a first for me. I guess Sanu didn't get the correct play call and waved his hands to distract the safety that wasn't there and not looking at him.
Don't take it as personal or anything. Sorry if it offends you.
But, yes, it is a 1 and only. It's an alert type play. So, you have the concept side vs zone, the route you like with the receiver you want vs man. Vs man-coverage there's not nearly as many progressions as you think. It's usually designed plays with pick/rubs or double move routes.
Think of it like the alternative.
The hope and design is to get a C2 look, but if not upud think Deebo could beat Rhodes on a bad wheel.
I've been consistent in this play, go look in the Aiyuk thread, when Lance made those throws I criticized Aiyuk for not getting better separation.
Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Nah I don't take it personal, you are just one of the few here that I respect what you have to say because you know what you are talking about. When you do that, like some others here do often (and they have no clue WTF they talking about) it comes off immature and I hold you in higher regard then that. If what you are saying is true, 1 and only read on that play, then hey learn something new everyday.
Again, just so I make sure I'm communicating early, vs that look on THAT play. If it was a 2 safety look, it's a progression read on the other side that's Sanu 1, Aiyik, 2 and Dwelley 3.
Vs this look, C-1 man, its like an alert-timing throw. Execution was just poor.
I'd give Lance the same grace or any qb for us. I've been saying it all year and after thr ARI game, our guys are not winning separation on the outside.
Originally posted by jonnydel: Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Ooooh you'll finally start doing that huh?
Here's your Packers game break down...NOT ONE real criticism of Jimmy, if fact you felt you had to defend him toward the end to prove he is playing well.
Yet your whole video purposely ignores plays like these.
It ain't a coincidence Jonny.
Rich and I went back and forth on that Aiyuk one, the Lookie. It's Lookie Asia and its a sight adjust route. Rich should know this. He never responded after I mentioned that to him when he tried to correct me.
Originally posted by jonnydel: Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Ooooh you'll finally start doing that huh?
Here's your Packers game break down...NOT ONE real criticism of Jimmy, if fact you felt you had to defend him toward the end to prove he is playing well.
Yet your whole video purposely ignores plays like these.
It ain't a coincidence Jonny.
Rich and I went back and forth on that Aiyuk one, the Lookie. It's Lookie Asia and its a sight adjust route. Rich should know this. He never responded after I mentioned that to him when he tried to correct me.
And if you're so certain I'm wrong on that,, here's a link where you can take the time to find lookie Asia:
Per the Dagger, as I've said NUMEROUS times,, my goal is to show overall storylines/why's of games. I showed why we couldn't hit the deep ball, showed why, despite Twitter narrative, you couldn't just put the blame on Jimmy for that game. That missed daggerz we converted thr next play for a 1st down and went on to score. So why would I show that other than to criticize Jimmy? Didn't impact the game.
You think it's just a coincidence that everything I had in my video Kyle talked about that week? After my video came out?
Originally posted by jonnydel:
The safety was following Jimmy's eyes. If he sits in the middle, most likely taken away. It's a product of people not knowing 100% what theyrr looking at. I'm on my phone or I'd post the play art.
Jonny come on. There is no "if" as far as sitting in the middle because he was moving/cheating towards Deebo's side before the ball was snapped.
Originally posted by jonnydel: Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Ooooh you'll finally start doing that huh?
Here's your Packers game break down...NOT ONE real criticism of Jimmy, if fact you felt you had to defend him toward the end to prove he is playing well.
Yet your whole video purposely ignores plays like these.
It ain't a coincidence Jonny.
Rich and I went back and forth on that Aiyuk one, the Lookie. It's Lookie Asia and its a sight adjust route. Rich should know this. He never responded after I mentioned that to him when he tried to correct me.
And if you're so certain I'm wrong on that,, here's a link where you can take the time to find lookie Asia:
Per the Dagger, as I've said NUMEROUS times,, my goal is to show overall storylines/why's of games. I showed why we couldn't hit the deep ball, showed why, despite Twitter narrative, you couldn't just put the blame on Jimmy for that game. That missed daggerz we converted thr next play for a 1st down and went on to score. So why would I show that other than to criticize Jimmy? Didn't impact the game.
You think it's just a coincidence that everything I had in my video Kyle talked about that week? After my video came out?
For the dagger, if that were Trey you would do your usual "what I'd like to see Trey do here is bla bla"
Here is the play you sarcastically told me to try to find. Seems like Aiyuk did his job?
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Im getting irritated at this still being shared. I have the play art, Deebo is #1 vs this look.
Irritated? Why? You can have the play art, Deebo be the #1 vs the look and it was still the wrong decision. There's progressions when #1 is covered no? The CB was all over Deebo and the play
Ehh, not the same. So, the play is designed to go against C2, that's the divide concept. It puts the strong side safety in a horizontal stretch. The play art shows Deebo running a fade vs cloud(C2 squat corner) and a sight adjust to a curl vs C1 with Deebo as the primary and only because he's isolated 1v1 with a corner.
This is the same play Lance threw the contested ball to Aiyuk vs ARI, also got a negated PI on a batted ball - same play. It's a timing throws the qb is to throw thr ball before the receiver stops, which is what happened.
He ran the play the same way I've seen it run for years.
So you telling me that no matter what the ball is going there? Aside from a screen play, I've never heard of a play that has one read and the ball goes there no matter what, this is a first for me. I guess Sanu didn't get the correct play call and waved his hands to distract the safety that wasn't there and not looking at him.
Don't take it as personal or anything. Sorry if it offends you.
But, yes, it is a 1 and only. It's an alert type play. So, you have the concept side vs zone, the route you like with the receiver you want vs man. Vs man-coverage there's not nearly as many progressions as you think. It's usually designed plays with pick/rubs or double move routes.
Think of it like the alternative.
The hope and design is to get a C2 look, but if not upud think Deebo could beat Rhodes on a bad wheel.
I've been consistent in this play, go look in the Aiyuk thread, when Lance made those throws I criticized Aiyuk for not getting better separation.
Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Nah I don't take it personal, you are just one of the few here that I respect what you have to say because you know what you are talking about. When you do that, like some others here do often (and they have no clue WTF they talking about) it comes off immature and I hold you in higher regard then that. If what you are saying is true, 1 and only read on that play, then hey learn something new everyday.
Again, just so I make sure I'm communicating early, vs that look on THAT play. If it was a 2 safety look, it's a progression read on the other side that's Sanu 1, Aiyik, 2 and Dwelley 3.
Vs this look, C-1 man, its like an alert-timing throw. Execution was just poor.
I'd give Lance the same grace or any qb for us. I've been saying it all year and after thr ARI game, our guys are not winning separation on the outside.
Is this about the INT when targeting Deebo? It was Cover3 with a Mable call to Aiyuk. The way I see that play is Jimmy thought a blitz was coming and would target Aiyuk hot. What he should have done is saw that there was no blitz, then work the concept side. It was 3rd & 3. There was a high-low stretch with Sanu + Dwelley.
Really your trading players for draft capital and to relieve the team of large salaries. You need a mix of good value FA signing and draft picks. If you hit on 50% of your draft picks you are doing well. So I would shoot for a quantity of mid rounders picks. All this with an emphasis on choosing players that do not have a history of injuries.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Ah, I see that we're still doing the weekly post-loss "Jimmy is actually playing perfectly, it's everyone else that sucks" thing.
My issue is that Johnny acknowledges his videos are based on proving or disproving narratives not actually grading players and yet he gets defensive when you say his videos are biased. In my opinion there is implicit bias anytime you don't show the full game film and select certain plays to review. Has nothing to do with the content creator but all his videos are technically biased on purpose.
Also from my understanding, Johnny doesn't get into grading players on the forum either… just disproving narratives with his videos once again. So when people ask him about Jimmy… he just points to everything else that's going wrong on the team because he's made a video for it and kinda dodges answering that question in great detail since it's his videos so he does what he wants, and that's everything but grade Jimmy G.
Originally posted by jonnydel: Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Ooooh you'll finally start doing that huh?
Here's your Packers game break down...NOT ONE real criticism of Jimmy, if fact you felt you had to defend him toward the end to prove he is playing well.
Yet your whole video purposely ignores plays like these.
It ain't a coincidence Jonny.
I have a suggestion regarding breakdowns (make yourself include lowlights of players you admittedly like?),...but I'll just zip it for now. Or too late?
With Kyle and Jimmy (regarding that player streaking to the endzone if the ball is thrown),... it's a partnership by now. Jimmy's been here how long now in this offense? And what was the game situation? As I always say, it's okay to toss out the playbook diversions and use common sense when it's clearly applicable.
You can take the blame off Jimmy if you wish, but it places blame squarely on Kyle's shoulders if his offense with a QB he's had for this long can only have the ball go to a WR draped in coverage while another streaks free for a would-be game winning TD.
That just means Kyle has been doing a horrible job w/his offense, and it's really 1 or the other.
[ Edited by random49er on Oct 26, 2021 at 4:27 PM ]
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Im getting irritated at this still being shared. I have the play art, Deebo is #1 vs this look.
Irritated? Why? You can have the play art, Deebo be the #1 vs the look and it was still the wrong decision. There's progressions when #1 is covered no? The CB was all over Deebo and the play
Ehh, not the same. So, the play is designed to go against C2, that's the divide concept. It puts the strong side safety in a horizontal stretch. The play art shows Deebo running a fade vs cloud(C2 squat corner) and a sight adjust to a curl vs C1 with Deebo as the primary and only because he's isolated 1v1 with a corner.
This is the same play Lance threw the contested ball to Aiyuk vs ARI, also got a negated PI on a batted ball - same play. It's a timing throws the qb is to throw thr ball before the receiver stops, which is what happened.
He ran the play the same way I've seen it run for years.
So you telling me that no matter what the ball is going there? Aside from a screen play, I've never heard of a play that has one read and the ball goes there no matter what, this is a first for me. I guess Sanu didn't get the correct play call and waved his hands to distract the safety that wasn't there and not looking at him.
Don't take it as personal or anything. Sorry if it offends you.
But, yes, it is a 1 and only. It's an alert type play. So, you have the concept side vs zone, the route you like with the receiver you want vs man. Vs man-coverage there's not nearly as many progressions as you think. It's usually designed plays with pick/rubs or double move routes.
Think of it like the alternative.
The hope and design is to get a C2 look, but if not upud think Deebo could beat Rhodes on a bad wheel.
I've been consistent in this play, go look in the Aiyuk thread, when Lance made those throws I criticized Aiyuk for not getting better separation.
Look, there are other plays to criticize Garoppolo on amd I'll cover in my breakdown. This one is some reaching by people, IMO.
I'm not meaning to puff my chest out but when you're seeing people on Twitter share this as gospel truth when I know it's not what am I supposed to do, just say, "yep! Horrible decision!"?
Nah I don't take it personal, you are just one of the few here that I respect what you have to say because you know what you are talking about. When you do that, like some others here do often (and they have no clue WTF they talking about) it comes off immature and I hold you in higher regard then that. If what you are saying is true, 1 and only read on that play, then hey learn something new everyday.
Again, just so I make sure I'm communicating early, vs that look on THAT play. If it was a 2 safety look, it's a progression read on the other side that's Sanu 1, Aiyik, 2 and Dwelley 3.
Vs this look, C-1 man, its like an alert-timing throw. Execution was just poor.
I'd give Lance the same grace or any qb for us. I've been saying it all year and after thr ARI game, our guys are not winning separation on the outside.
I just can't believe that there is 1 read and you go to him no matter what on that play. I don't care about grace given to whatever QB for whatever team, just never heard of a play call like that; that isn't some type of screen or rub route
Originally posted by 49ers808:
I just can't believe that there is 1 read and you go to him no matter what on that play. I don't care about grace given to whatever QB for whatever team, just never heard of a play call like that; that isn't some type of screen or rub route
Yeah either throw it to him while completely covered or throw the ball away. Makes sense right?
Originally posted by 49ers808:
I just can't believe that there is 1 read and you go to him no matter what on that play. I don't care about grace given to whatever QB for whatever team, just never heard of a play call like that; that isn't some type of screen or rub route
Yeah either throw it to him while completely covered or throw the ball away. Makes sense right?
I mean if I'm being honest, I'm not one of those that takes everything Jonny says as gospel. Have you ever heard of that? Anyone? I'm being sincere and not trying to discredit what he's saying
Originally posted by 49ers808:
I just can't believe that there is 1 read and you go to him no matter what on that play. I don't care about grace given to whatever QB for whatever team, just never heard of a play call like that; that isn't some type of screen or rub route
Yeah either throw it to him while completely covered or throw the ball away. Makes sense right?
I mean if I'm being honest, I'm not one of those that takes everything Jonny says as gospel. Have you ever heard of that? Anyone? I'm being sincere and not trying to discredit what he's saying
I agree, that there are certain plays that are designed for one read and then either throw away or tuck and run. I'm not so certain about that play.
IMO Jimmy should have gone elsewhere once the safety and LB started shading towards Deebo side of the field pre-snap.
Is it possible that Jimmy didn't know the whole play design and that Sanu would be open for a TD, if the half the defense shaded towards his primary read? And just decided Pre-snap he was going to Deebo no matter what, even if forcing it into triple coverage (oops quadruple coverage )
[ Edited by Bay2Bay9erAllday on Oct 26, 2021 at 5:13 PM ]
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