Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Off topic: Any news on Trey's knee, is he back to practice?

Originally posted by mayo49:
Off topic: Any news on Trey's knee, is he back to practice?

Supposedly tomorrow.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

QB's do this all the time. Russ does it, Brady does it, Rodgers does it. They see press-man they know who they're going to before the ball is snapped and it's going to be a timing throw.

Doesn't the ball also hit the defender's hands at the same time, since he's stuck to him like glue pretty much the entire route?

Ya it hit the defenders hand. Bad throw... enough with the Jimmyexcuses

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

The ball hit the defender's hand/arm..which was infront of Deebo's chest.

And no I wouldn't blame Deebo for that, if Lance threw the ball. But apparently you would/did, if Jimmy threw it.

I would blame Deebo if Lance threw it. Just like I blamed Aiyuk for not getting more separation when Lance threw it. Not sure why you're hellbent on trying to prove something about me. You've had issues with me for years and I still don't get where it all started. Seems odd.

Why? The ball hit the defender's arm. Why do you choose to ignore that?

As far as issues with you, I'm not the only one Jonny..there are others here who question your intentions. Which is sad really.

I said it years ago, I appreciate what you bring to the forum... but with that comes responsibility no? Even before Jonnydel, we had other posters breaking down games in threads (Oldman, who later changed his name to Mr.Mcgibblets...God knows who he is now). He showed his bias for Alex and would blame everyone but him in his breakdowns.

I don't think that's right. I don't like politicians, Religious leaders, Influencers, etc who take advantage of the trust they build up from a group...to sway what they think, what they see with their eyes.

So no, it ain't only you Jonny.... there will be someone else after you, and I'll call that person out if I notice they are not being consistent.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

QB's do this all the time. Russ does it, Brady does it, Rodgers does it. They see press-man they know who they're going to before the ball is snapped and it's going to be a timing throw.

Doesn't the ball also hit the defender's hands at the same time, since he's stuck to him like glue pretty much the entire route?

If Deebo is a true #1 then he needs to win those 1v1 matchups. If anything he needs to prevent the defender from running through him and picking it off.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

Didn't Baldi cover this exact play? I believe he said Aiyuk ran the wrong route and this is why the play broke down.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

Didn't Baldi cover this exact play? I believe he said Aiyuk ran the wrong route and this is why the play broke down.

Pause it right when Jimmy begins to pass the ball.... look where the defender and Aiyuk are... what would have been the right route for that?

Edit- just went back through Baldi's tweets, and I don't see him covering this play.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

Didn't Baldi cover this exact play? I believe he said Aiyuk ran the wrong route and this is why the play broke down.

Pause it right when Jimmy begins to pass the ball.... look where the defender and Aiyuk are... what would have been the right route for that?

Edit- just went back through Baldi's tweets, and I don't see him covering this play.

It could have been a pick if Jimmy throws it to where Aiyuk is running with the LB cutting in behind of him and the middle being occupied by a safety.

Jonnydel did a good mashup of this here at the 12:00 mark



Aiyuk also dropped a perfect pass into his hands two plays later before Kyle had Trey run it in.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He just doesn't look ready when he has been in there. He can't make his reads. He throws an inaccurate ball. He's so confused out there. He's a real good athlete. Just nowhere near ready right now.

1. Jimmy misses reads as well and he's in his 8th season in the NFL

2. Jimmy has his share of inaccurate passes but with a lot less arm talent

3. How is he "so confused out there"?

It's one thing if we're winning games and Jimmy isn't making critical mistakes. I like the guy, I wish he was playing much better but he's not. I don't believe for one second that with our talent throwing Lance out there would be a bad thing for his development.

If he's making mistakes (and he will) at least he gets a chance to learn from them and grow from them. Jimmy's time to learn from his mistakes is over. He is what he is.

We're 2-4. If we want to make a run we need something to bring energy out there. I hate to say it but that's not Jimmy. Not if he can't move the chains consistently. That was his biggest asset IMO and we've been terrible on 3rd down with him as QB. So what is he offering now?

Jimmy is light years further ahead on reads. He had the ball slip out in the rain on a few. That can happen. His reads are way ahead of Lance. It's not close.

You can say this with confidence how? Lance played fairly well vs Arizona. I don't recall him having too many missed reads - missed throws yes, missed reads nothing that showed rookie who can't play right now if given the opportunity.

You act like the only missed throw Jimmy had was on the last pick where rain was an issue. That's not true. Jimmy isn't Tom Brady out there and Lance isn't a rookie who is completely lost out there.

I can. It's true, it's not even close. That's not a knock on Lance. One thing Jimmy has been pretty good at are his reads. No QB is 100% but you guys are listening to too many twitter heads. Vs ARI I saw quite a few missed or late reads by Lance - that's to be expected. He's raw. Don't know why this is even debatable.

I agree 100%.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

That video is total proof that JG is nowhere near a franchise QB. This is about the easiest read a pro QB can have and he completely misses it. Gives you flashbacks of Kaepernick missing in covered WRs.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

The ball hit the defender's hand/arm..which was infront of Deebo's chest.

And no I wouldn't blame Deebo for that, if Lance threw the ball. But apparently you would/did, if Jimmy threw it.

I would blame Deebo if Lance threw it. Just like I blamed Aiyuk for not getting more separation when Lance threw it. Not sure why you're hellbent on trying to prove something about me. You've had issues with me for years and I still don't get where it all started. Seems odd.

Don't let them get to you jonnydel. It is just their way of showing you that you know more about football then they ever will.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

QB's do this all the time. Russ does it, Brady does it, Rodgers does it. They see press-man they know who they're going to before the ball is snapped and it's going to be a timing throw.

Doesn't the ball also hit the defender's hands at the same time, since he's stuck to him like glue pretty much the entire route?

If Deebo is a true #1 then he needs to win those 1v1 matchups. If anything he needs to prevent the defender from running through him and picking it off.

Exactly. Some posters can only see football in 1 dimension.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
What did you expect Aiyuk to do there?

Curl out - that's what Jimmy threw - he was expecting the same thing

Again here is the play. Defender would have been all over him or it would have been picked. Aiyuk read the defender, did his job and got open imo.

The more that I watch this play, the more it seems to me that even if Aiyuk broke that route outside, the ball wasn't where it should have been for him to catch it. It would have been thrown pretty far behind him. The pass ends up going between him and the DBs inside shoulder. He essentially throws the ball to the back of Aiyuk's head before he makes his break. Had he ran the route outside, shouldn't the ball have been placed outside of the DB?

Judging by the ball placement, it looks like he expected Aiyuk to just turn around and sit.

Originally posted by Goatie:
But he is playing football in practice and on the scout team. That is sharpening him up but putting the theory of learning the play book into his head without the pressure of a real game. So then he can make his mistakes and learn from them without it damaging the team. He needs to know the plays down pat before being thrown into the lions den so they are automatic. Then he can be more situationally aware as he does not have to concentrate on trying to remember complex plays. He just executes while being able to look around and not get killed.

You are keen to see him play. I get that. But be careful what you wish for because if you get your wish he may not play for long before getting broken for good.

He's not playing meaningful football at practice...he's not even running the same offense, if he's pretending to be the other QB on scout drills. He's not running our offense. So what mistakes are you talking about? What is he learning? He's in the film room watching another QB. Wow that's super helpful.

I keep asking this question and no one will answer it...so do you think Lance would have looked better week 5 vs AZ if he....got all the first string reps through TC/OTAs, preseason, practices and started week 1? He's been "developing" aka not playing football for 5+ months and then got tossed into the game week 5....do you think him sitting that long helped him vs AZ or would him playing football for the past 5 months with the starters and in games have helped him week 5?

Also the whole start him to soon can make him broken is a BS excuse. Kyle, if he's a good coach isn't gonna throw the whole playbook at him and will give him s**t he can run...they will gradually develop the playbook to him and his skill set.