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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
But he is playing football in practice and on the scout team. That is sharpening him up but putting the theory of learning the play book into his head without the pressure of a real game. So then he can make his mistakes and learn from them without it damaging the team. He needs to know the plays down pat before being thrown into the lions den so they are automatic. Then he can be more situationally aware as he does not have to concentrate on trying to remember complex plays. He just executes while being able to look around and not get killed.

You are keen to see him play. I get that. But be careful what you wish for because if you get your wish he may not play for long before getting broken for good.

He's not playing meaningful football at practice...he's not even running the same offense, if he's playing the other QB on scout drills. He's not running our offense. So what mistakes are you talking about? What is he learning?

I keep asking this question and no one will answer it...so do you think Lance would have looked better week 5 vs AZ if he....got all the first string reps through TC/OTAs, preseason, practices and started week 1? He's been "developing" aka not playing football for 5+ months and then got tossed into the game week 5....do you think him sitting that long helped him vs AZ or would him playing football for the past 5 months with the starters and in game helped him week 5?

My understanding is he gets 10-20% starter reps.

The point of the scout team reps is it not only helps him to see how other systems work but helps teach him how to read a defense, our defense. That also teaches him the speed of the NFL.
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yea that same HC said you don't get better at football by not playing football

Explain Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers.

Explain...Brady Quinn & Jake Locker...or explain all the rookie QBs that played their first yr and were successful? So if they all sat year 1 they'd be EVEN BETTER?

You think Mahomes would suck if he played yr 1? Not a chance...his skill set and talent is what made him successful. He said he couldn't even read defenses the yr he won the MVP.

Rogers was a special talent all the same. They had Favre and guess what we most certainly don't have that in Jimmy...Just because they sat doesn't mean that's the reason they are who they are. s**t Jimmy sat for almost 4 years and still has the same issues he's had.

End of the day a lot of what makes them successful is their talent level and drive to be good. Players develop themselves more than anything. Having a coach that can put them in successful situations and a good roster helps everything too. Sitting on he bench "learning to be a pro" is dumb and overblown.
Originally posted by evil:
Agreed.

If there was only one way to develop a QB, by getting him reps and making them play early on, whether they are ready or not, then why doesn't every coach develop their rookies as such?

Why have we seen some of the best and brightest minds to coach in this league sit their rookie and tell the media explicitly that the kid isn't ready yet? Why would these coaches waste valuable time they could be giving their rookie reps by sitting them?

If sitting a player for a year was the key to success...then not one single rookie QB would play year 1. Period.

Why have we seen some of the best QBs in the league play year 1 and are now successful? Yeah good question why would coaches waste valuable time/snaps by sitting them? You think Mahomes would suck if he played year 1? I don't. You had coaches in LA hell bent on starting Taylor over Herbert because he wasn't ready...they were forced to play him and here we are.

Kyle can't say It's hard to get good at football, by not playing football THEN say getting a rookie playing time just because isn't the way to do it. It's a b******t excuse at this point. Play the kid and let him learn. We're not winning with s**tty pants Jimmy anyway.
Originally posted by NYniner85:

I know the answer to your question but I won't answer it.
Originally posted by Goatie:
My understanding is he gets 10-20% starter reps.

The point of the scout team reps is it not only helps him to see how other systems work but helps teach him how to read a defense, our defense. That also teaches him the speed of the NFL.

Lynch said the starters get at least 95% of the reps. He said that when talking about Lance and him playing vs AZ. He said it's hard for guys on the offense to get meaningful snaps in practices. Every day is a different install of the weekly playbook. The only snaps he's getting with the 1st string is whatever packages they have for him (which is a bunch of ZRs at this point) There isn't time to sit there and work with Trey all practice.

You said he should learn the playbook, he's not even getting to call plays with his team. The speed? The CBA has watered down practices so much, they're not running full speed in-pad practices every day during the yr. I think you get 14 padded practices a yr.

Again you didn't answer my question...would he have looked better week 5 vs AZ if he got all the starting reps in TC/OTAs, pre-season and started week 1? IF you think so then what the hell is he learning right now that has him in a better position to go play football? It's been from June-Oct of him basically red shirting the season.
Originally posted by Goatie:
I know the answer to your question but I won't answer it.

Yeah I know the answer to that's why I'm asking it
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Goatie:
I know the answer to your question but I won't answer it.

Yeah I know the answer to that's why I'm asking it

No you're wrong
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by jonnydel:

The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

The ball hit the defender's hand/arm..which was infront of Deebo's chest.

And no I wouldn't blame Deebo for that, if Lance threw the ball. But apparently you would/did, if Jimmy threw it.

I would blame Deebo if Lance threw it. Just like I blamed Aiyuk for not getting more separation when Lance threw it. Not sure why you're hellbent on trying to prove something about me. You've had issues with me for years and I still don't get where it all started. Seems odd.

Don't let them get to you jonnydel. It is just their way of showing you that you know more about football then they ever will.

JonnydelsWhiteKnight. I think that will be the new username
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by jonnydel:

The ball his Deebo in the chest. C'mon. If that's Lance, y'all are screaming about Deebo needing to hold on to the ball.

The ball hit the defender's hand/arm..which was infront of Deebo's chest.

And no I wouldn't blame Deebo for that, if Lance threw the ball. But apparently you would/did, if Jimmy threw it.

I would blame Deebo if Lance threw it. Just like I blamed Aiyuk for not getting more separation when Lance threw it. Not sure why you're hellbent on trying to prove something about me. You've had issues with me for years and I still don't get where it all started. Seems odd.

Don't let them get to you jonnydel. It is just their way of showing you that you know more about football then they ever will.

JonnydelsWhiteKnight. I think that will be the new username

Are you counting your chickens? Your's will be ChickenCounterJimmy'sLoveChild
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Explain...Brady Quinn & Jake Locker...or explain all the rookie QBs that played their first yr and were successful? So if they all sat year 1 they'd be EVEN BETTER?

You think Mahomes would suck if he played yr 1? Not a chance...his skill set and talent is what made him successful. He said he couldn't even read defenses the yr he won the MVP.

Rogers was a special talent all the same. They had Favre and guess what we most certainly don't have that in Jimmy...Just because they sat doesn't mean that's the reason they are who they are. s**t Jimmy sat for almost 4 years and still has the same issues he's had.

End of the day a lot of what makes them successful is their talent level and drive to be good. Players develop themselves more than anything. Having a coach that can put them in successful situations and a good roster helps everything too. Sitting on he bench "learning to be a pro" is dumb and overblown.

Based on this season, I'd say he still can't.
Originally posted by Goatie:
No you're wrong

lol oh I am...explain then. So if Lance didn't get all the reps for the past 5+ months and played live football he would actually be WORSE is week 5 then getting a weeks worth of starting reps?



For real you can't be objective...it's legit impossible for you.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Explain...Brady Quinn & Jake Locker...or explain all the rookie QBs that played their first yr and were successful? So if they all sat year 1 they'd be EVEN BETTER?

You think Mahomes would suck if he played yr 1? Not a chance...his skill set and talent is what made him successful. He said he couldn't even read defenses the yr he won the MVP.

Rogers was a special talent all the same. They had Favre and guess what we most certainly don't have that in Jimmy...Just because they sat doesn't mean that's the reason they are who they are. s**t Jimmy sat for almost 4 years and still has the same issues he's had.

End of the day a lot of what makes them successful is their talent level and drive to be good. Players develop themselves more than anything. Having a coach that can put them in successful situations and a good roster helps everything too. Sitting on he bench "learning to be a pro" is dumb and overblown.

Based on this season, I'd say he still can't.

Man I guess Mahomes should have sat for two years...can you imagine how much better he would be
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by evil:
Agreed.

If there was only one way to develop a QB, by getting him reps and making them play early on, whether they are ready or not, then why doesn't every coach develop their rookies as such?

Why have we seen some of the best and brightest minds to coach in this league sit their rookie and tell the media explicitly that the kid isn't ready yet? Why would these coaches waste valuable time they could be giving their rookie reps by sitting them?

If sitting a player for a year was the key to success...then not one single rookie QB would play year 1. Period.

Not all teams have the luxury of having a competent starter who knows the playbook of an eccentric coach like the back of his hand while the golden child can be spoon feed the system over a year or two.
imagine being so thickheaded and unwilling to think you might be wrong on something....that you actually believe Lance wouldn't have played any better week 5 vs AZ if he got all the starting reps and playing time since June lol.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Not all teams have the luxury of having a competent starter who knows the playbook of an eccentric coach like the back of his hand while the golden child can be spoon feed the system over a year or two.

every single team has the luxury of not playing their rookie QB...every single one. Jags could have play Minshew over Lawrence if it meant he was gonna be successful in the long-term. Cam over McCorkle. Dalton over Fields. Flacco over Wilson etc etc. NO team NOT ONE would throw away the future of their prized rookie QB, if all they had to do was sit him for a yr. Any level headed fan would take one bad season (especially if you're a bad team) if it meant you're gonna have a stud QB for the next decade.

IF that's the key to success you go get a bridge QB, every team can do that if they want too. Saying not everyone has the luxury to do that is a b******t excuse.

BUT like our HC said "It's hard to get better at football, by not playing football."
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Oct 27, 2021 at 6:38 AM ]
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