Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Ha no bother. As the self proclaimed "most objective poster on the board" I don't think you read anything that you haven't typed anyways.

"practice? We out here talkin bout practice"

Never said I was the most objective, I have my stances and I try to be objective. I also have no problem admitting I'm wrong unlike a ton of people in here.

I don't think you even know what you're arguing about at this pt….you're right Im not reading a 400 word paragraph. Like I said feel free to mute me, really don't care either way. There's plenty of decent posters in here to have good convos with.

His knee looked good to me today.

Watt just went down for 3 months. No telling how that affects ARI going forward now without their starting TE and Watt and whatever injuries they get going forward. One reason you don't give up on a season yet.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Watt just went down for 3 months. No telling how that affects ARI going forward now without their starting TE and Watt and whatever injuries they get going forward. One reason you don't give up on a season yet.

They have a better TE now in Ertz.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Ha no bother. As the self proclaimed "most objective poster on the board" I don't think you read anything that you haven't typed anyways.

"practice? We out here talkin bout practice"

Never said I was the most objective, I have my stances and I try to be objective. I also have no problem admitting I'm wrong unlike a ton of people in here.

I don't think you even know what you're arguing about at this pt….you're right Im not reading a 400 word paragraph. Like I said feel free to mute me, really don't care either way. There's plenty of decent posters in here to have good convos with.

LOL he has got you on one point ie posting 4 x a page...

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Ha no bother. As the self proclaimed "most objective poster on the board" I don't think you read anything that you haven't typed anyways.

"practice? We out here talkin bout practice"

Never said I was the most objective, I have my stances and I try to be objective. I also have no problem admitting I'm wrong unlike a ton of people in here.

I don't think you even know what you're arguing about at this pt….you're right Im not reading a 400 word paragraph. Like I said feel free to mute me, really don't care either way. There's plenty of decent posters in here to have good convos with.

Objective [ uhb-jek-tiv ]
Adjective

1.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice;

I seem to recall you saying that you were "done" with Jimmy and had been for a long time. Sounds pretty personal to me
You also constantly offer up your interpretations of what is wrong with his game or Kyle's scheme or the team in general so you don't pass that marker either
I can't speak to the notion of any possible prejudice so we'll skip that one

2 based on facts;

Only the facts you approve of and think help support your argument so you fail there as well

3, unbiased:

You have openly stated your preference for Lance on many, many, many, many many occasions, which means you have an obvious preference towards him starting. Just an FYI, once you've picked a horse in a race you're no longer an uninterested bystander

So, of the five markers set out in this particular definition of what it means to be objective you failed to meet the criteria of four of them. So, please lets just stop pretending. If you were really an objective observer it wouldn't make any difference to you who started one way or another. It's fine that you prefer Lance to Jimmy (who I only refer to as Jimmy because it's too much trouble to spell Garoppolo all the time not because we're good pals or anything) but let's not keep saying that you are just an impartial observer offering constructive, unbiased "criticisms" because everyone knows that's not the case.

Looking spry

I've got a gut feeling, Jimmy gets hurt this game and Trey comes in a plays good.

Originally posted by Goatie:
LOL he has got you on one point ie posting 4 x a page...

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So I post a lot? Is that suppose to be a bad thing....I've put my time into this site and built up relationships and learned a lot. I don't have s**t to prove to you or others at this point. like I tell everyone, you don't like or want to see my posts. MUTE ME. If not stop crying about it.

I could careless either way. Oh wow I don't have to have dumb arguments with Goatie and some others...that would be a real bummer

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Playing scout team is playing football. It is part of the stepping stone up the ladder which Trey is scaling right now one step at a time.

I am sure Kyle has learned from his mistakes from RG3, JG, CJ, Mullens, Hoyer and is mindful of the 49ers investment and aspirations for Trey and does not want to stuff it up by being as caviller as you want him to be.

Playing scout team is literally what you have your 3rd string QB do...CJ was doing that when we had Jimmy/Nick as the starters.

What you learn being the scout QB is minimal at best. Being a scout QB is not getting you ready to be the franchise QB IMO. Waiting for Jimmy to get hurt (which will always happen) then tossing him out there was/is the opposite of developing and preparing him. That's on Kyle. Running a bunch of power/pistol run plays because he hasn't even really gotten to run plays with the 1st team ever, that's on Kyle. He got Lance hurt in the process.

Like I said if he would have gotten 1st string reps all through the process (like other rookies) come week 5 vs AZ he would have been MUCH further a long in his development. There isn't a damn person that can tell me otherwise. Did Lance look like he was "developed" at all in the AZ game? That's 5 months right there, for what?

You got the same people that said he should red shirt calling him a bust after that one starter, which is so contradictory to what they were preaching prior to that game. IMO that's a BS bias take. You don't get to claim he's a bust if you think he should sit a yr.

People expecting Lance to magically become Mahomes because he held a clipboard for a yr will be very underwhelmed come 2022. He needs passing attempts, he needs live game speed reps (11 on 11) he needs to be running THIS scheme. He's doing none of that and will be basically a rookie next yr and we wasted a whole yr of development.

IF I'm wrong and he comes out and plays lights out in 2022, I'll gladly eat crow over that...but if he doesn't you don't get to call him a bust or the wrong pick either because he's a year behind every rookie that was drafted the same yr (probably more because he will not have played football for two freaking yrs).

Lance looked miles and miles better in AZ than he did during the preseason. Wasn't close.

yes, he's getting better. Yes, being thrown in the fire too early can hurt people's development and just as importantly, their confidence.

His weaknesses are things he can absolutely work on in practice, and he's not the better QB right now.

He looks like he's improving quickly, but best case scenario is still that we start winning w/Jimmy. The next 3 games both dictate our season, and should be really big in Trey's development.

He's really been out there in NFL practices for 3 months. If you've ever had a demanding career - the first 3 months in a new gig is a firehose. Give him another month. Better yet, Jimmy starts winning and we can do him the favor of giving him until next offseason.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Objective [ uhb-jek-tiv ]
Adjective

1.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice;

I seem to recall you saying that you were "done" with Jimmy and had been for a long time. Sounds pretty personal to me
You also constantly offer up your interpretations of what is wrong with his game or Kyle's scheme or the team in general so you don't pass that marker either
I can't speak to the notion of any possible prejudice so we'll skip that one

2 based on facts;

Only the facts you approve of and think help support your argument so you fail there as well

3, unbiased:

You have openly stated your preference for Lance on many, many, many, many many occasions, which means you have an obvious preference towards him starting. Just an FYI, once you've picked a horse in a race you're no longer an uninterested bystander

So, of the five markers set out in this particular definition of what it means to be objective you failed to meet the criteria of four of them. So, please lets just stop pretending. If you were really an objective observer it wouldn't make any difference to you who started one way or another. It's fine that you prefer Lance to Jimmy (who I only refer to as Jimmy because it's too much trouble to spell Garoppolo all the time not because we're good pals or anything) but let's not keep saying that you are just an impartial observer offering constructive, unbiased "criticisms" because everyone knows that's not the case.

And like a lot of other people you fail to actually read all of my posts and just screen grab what you want to cry about.

I have said (many times) I will be just as critical of Lance if he plays poorly. I will call out ANY player if I feel they're not doing their job. I will and have said I'm wrong about evaluations of players in the past. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong or listening to someone that might know more than me. That's the problem with a lot of you in here. You're too stubborn to do the same.

Unlike YOU I don't need to defend Jimmy to the death, just because he's wearing a 49ers uniform. I will be objective and as critical as I can. You claim using facts is being objective YET people in here cherry pick facts all the same to prop up their narrative. That is not being objective IMO. That's twisting what is true for benefit of a debate.

I post stuff in here from outside of just my thoughts, that don't always benefit my take on something...because that is be impartial. Do I have certain takes I believe in, sure everyone does. People that I actually care to have conversations with, have been here for a while, and who's opinions I truly value know what kind of poster I am...and that's good enough for me.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Playing scout team is playing football. It is part of the stepping stone up the ladder which Trey is scaling right now one step at a time.

I am sure Kyle has learned from his mistakes from RG3, JG, CJ, Mullens, Hoyer and is mindful of the 49ers investment and aspirations for Trey and does not want to stuff it up by being as caviller as you want him to be.

Playing scout team is literally what you have your 3rd string QB do...CJ was doing that when we had Jimmy/Nick as the starters.

What you learn being the scout QB is minimal at best. Being a scout QB is not getting you ready to be the franchise QB IMO. Waiting for Jimmy to get hurt (which will always happen) then tossing him out there was/is the opposite of developing and preparing him. That's on Kyle. Running a bunch of power/pistol run plays because he hasn't even really gotten to run plays with the 1st team ever, that's on Kyle. He got Lance hurt in the process.

Like I said if he would have gotten 1st string reps all through the process (like other rookies) come week 5 vs AZ he would have been MUCH further a long in his development. There isn't a damn person that can tell me otherwise. Did Lance look like he was "developed" at all in the AZ game? That's 5 months right there, for what?

You got the same people that said he should red shirt calling him a bust after that one starter, which is so contradictory to what they were preaching prior to that game. IMO that's a BS bias take. You don't get to claim he's a bust if you think he should sit a yr.

People expecting Lance to magically become Mahomes because he held a clipboard for a yr will be very underwhelmed come 2022. He needs passing attempts, he needs live game speed reps (11 on 11) he needs to be running THIS scheme. He's doing none of that and will be basically a rookie next yr and we wasted a whole yr of development.

IF I'm wrong and he comes out and plays lights out in 2022, I'll gladly eat crow over that...but if he doesn't you don't get to call him a bust or the wrong pick either because he's a year behind every rookie that was drafted the same yr (probably more because he will not have played football for two freaking yrs).

Lance looked miles and miles better in AZ than he did during the preseason. Wasn't close.

yes, he's getting better. Yes, being thrown in the fire too early can hurt people's development.

His weaknesses are things he can absolutely work on in practice, and he's not the better QB right now.

He looks like he's improving quickly, but best case scenario is still that we start winning w/Jimmy. The next 3 games both dictate our season, and should be really big in Trey's development.

He's really been out there in NFL practices for 3 months. If you've ever had a demanding career - the first 3 months in a new gig is a firehose. Give him another month. Better yet, Jimmy starts winning and we can do him the favor of giving him until next offseason.

Agree with this - nice post, willwin.

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Lance looked miles and miles better in AZ than he did during the preseason. Wasn't close.

yes, he's getting better. Yes, being thrown in the fire too early can hurt people's development.

His weaknesses are things he can absolutely work on in practice, and he's not the better QB right now.

He looks like he's improving quickly, but best case scenario is still that we start winning w/Jimmy. The next 3 games both dictate our season, and should be really big in Trey's development.

He's really been out there in NFL practices for 3 months. If you've ever had a demanding career - the first 3 months in a new gig is a firehose. Give him another month. Better yet, Jimmy starts winning and we can do him the favor of giving him until next offseason.

We will see...IMO if he got all the starting reps from day 1, he would have looked even better week 5 vs AZ. That's just my take on it.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Ha no bother. As the self proclaimed "most objective poster on the board" I don't think you read anything that you haven't typed anyways.

"practice? We out here talkin bout practice"

Never said I was the most objective, I have my stances and I try to be objective. I also have no problem admitting I'm wrong unlike a ton of people in here.

I don't think you even know what you're arguing about at this pt….you're right Im not reading a 400 word paragraph. Like I said feel free to mute me, really don't care either way. There's plenty of decent posters in here to have good convos with.

LOL he has got you on one point ie posting 4 x a page...

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What are you trying to do? Bludgeon us all into submission with word count alone?

I mean look at his post count in the Mac Jones thread. He just posts a lot.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Lance looked miles and miles better in AZ than he did during the preseason. Wasn't close.

yes, he's getting better. Yes, being thrown in the fire too early can hurt people's development.

His weaknesses are things he can absolutely work on in practice, and he's not the better QB right now.

He looks like he's improving quickly, but best case scenario is still that we start winning w/Jimmy. The next 3 games both dictate our season, and should be really big in Trey's development.

He's really been out there in NFL practices for 3 months. If you've ever had a demanding career - the first 3 months in a new gig is a firehose. Give him another month. Better yet, Jimmy starts winning and we can do him the favor of giving him until next offseason.

We will see...IMO if he got all the starting reps from day 1, he would have looked even better week 5 vs AZ. That's just my take on it.

Of course he would've. I find it hilarious to see 49er fans playing the "we could've had Mac Jones at our original pick, he's looking great out there"

Yes...we could've had him at our original pick but are we looking for slight bump from Jimmy or are we looking to hit a homerun at the position? Yeah Lance has work to do but his ceiling is why he was drafted where he was and everything written and said about him as a person and player indicates he's got the work ethic and intelligence to develop.

Not to mention Jones isn't doing anything that impressive. It's like he's being elevated cuz he's not just flat out sucking but the one legit defense he played he looked terrible against in the Saints game. The other was the Bucs game in the rain where Tampa Bay was killed in the secondary and missing one of their top pass rushers. Yeah he had the nice completion streak in teh rain but he threw almost no passes into tight windows. The few he did were nearly picked or were incompletions.

I will give Jones credit, he's got very good pocket movement...must be those tennis feet of his lol. But once again he's not doing anything unexpected given his career path and where he is as a player coming into the draft.

Trey is all about potential but there's a lot of really good things to work with there. He just needs the reps and time. I'm confident down the road nobody is questioning the move.