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Originally posted by stunder49:
Is this dude taking us to get that quest for six or do I go back to sleep?

If you're talking only getting the Lombardi, Rip Van Winkle it to next year and check in.
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Or maybe he didn't consider the locker room and was unaware of how raw Trey was at the time? Steve Young passed the Bar. That man is smart as hell. Some 49er fans, maybe not so much.

For example, while Steve recently said we should "be patient," he also said he wants to see Trey under duress and that "I don't know that we're going to know more unless we get tested now."

In other words his most recent statement was highlighting the pros and cons of each position. But that's too complex for some 49er fans to understand.

Yeah, every time I've read Steve's comments I see a guy thinking and speaking carefully and trying to look at/analyze the whole picture. Even Jerry Rice to in a different way and to a lesser extent.

But that goes over the head of a lot of people who only listen to/take out of something that's said what they want to and typically lined up with what they already believe.

Spot on.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Or maybe he didn't consider the locker room and was unaware of how raw Trey was at the time? Steve Young passed the Bar. That man is smart as hell. Some 49er fans, maybe not so much.

For example, while Steve recently said we should "be patient," he also said he wants to see Trey under duress and that "I don't know that we're going to know more unless we get tested now."

In other words his most recent statement was highlighting the pros and cons of each position. But that's too complex for some 49er fans to understand.

Yeah, every time I've read Steve's comments I see a guy thinking and speaking carefully and trying to look at/analyze the whole picture. Even Jerry Rice to in a different way and to a lesser extent.

But that goes over the head of a lot of people who only listen to/take out of something that's said what they want to and typically lined up with what they already believe.

Spot on.

OFFER Lynch's position to Stevey.... I know at one point he wanted to work side by side w/Brent Jones in the front office.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Or maybe he didn't consider the locker room and was unaware of how raw Trey was at the time? Steve Young passed the Bar. That man is smart as hell. Some 49er fans, maybe not so much.

For example, while Steve recently said we should "be patient," he also said he wants to see Trey under duress and that "I don't know that we're going to know more unless we get tested now."

In other words his most recent statement was highlighting the pros and cons of each position. But that's too complex for some 49er fans to understand.

Yeah, every time I've read Steve's comments I see a guy thinking and speaking carefully and trying to look at/analyze the whole picture. Even Jerry Rice to in a different way and to a lesser extent.

But that goes over the head of a lot of people who only listen to/take out of something that's said what they want to and typically lined up with what they already believe.

Spot on.

OFFER Lynch's position to Stevey.... I know at one point he wanted to work side by side w/Brent Jones in the front office.

If only. Although Steve has no more team building experience than Lynch.

But I think (no offense John) that Steve is smarter and more meticulous. And I think he has a better understanding of locker room dynamics. I think if Steve was the GM, the 49ers might have traded away Jimmy to head off the locker room troubles that appear to be happening right now. If we had, say, Badford or Dalton, the offense might be a little worse, but no one would have any doubts about this being Trey's team long term, and there would be no George Kittle liking an Instragram post that says that Trey, "Ain't know Kyler Murray." The team hides it, but there is turmoil because people have friendships with Jimmy.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Or maybe he didn't consider the locker room and was unaware of how raw Trey was at the time? Steve Young passed the Bar. That man is smart as hell. Some 49er fans, maybe not so much.

For example, while Steve recently said we should "be patient," he also said he wants to see Trey under duress and that "I don't know that we're going to know more unless we get tested now."

In other words his most recent statement was highlighting the pros and cons of each position. But that's too complex for some 49er fans to understand.

Yeah, every time I've read Steve's comments I see a guy thinking and speaking carefully and trying to look at/analyze the whole picture. Even Jerry Rice to in a different way and to a lesser extent.

But that goes over the head of a lot of people who only listen to/take out of something that's said what they want to and typically lined up with what they already believe.

Spot on.

OFFER Lynch's position to Stevey.... I know at one point he wanted to work side by side w/Brent Jones in the front office.

If only. Although Steve has no more team building experience than Lynch.

But I think (no offense John) that Steve is smarter and more meticulous. And I think he has a better understanding of locker room dynamics. I think if Steve was the GM, the 49ers might have traded away Jimmy to head off the locker room troubles that appear to be happening right now. If we had, say, Badford or Dalton, the offense might be a little worse, but no one would have any doubts about this being Trey's team long term, and there would be no George Kittle liking an Instragram post that says that Trey, "Ain't know Kyler Murray." The team hides it, but there is turmoil because people have friendships with Jimmy.

At the end of the day, the players want to win and will get behind whoever gives them the best chance, regardless of friendships. If the average fan can see that Jimmy isn't putting them in position to win, so can the players.
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Steve Young is one of the smartest QB of all time. He used to cycle through the calls of the entire playbook by memory in preparation for the game with Mike Shanahan. Hes just a bit neurotic as an analyst because he's thinking about too many things while trying to make his point.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, the anything-but-Jimmy crowd has always been the massive minority yet, loudest, most aggressive and most angry.

Don't worry JD. I'm sure they'll keep that same energy when all the same team issues arise with Trey too.

This crowd doesnt exist. Period.

You might want to sign up for a Twitter account. But the same crowd is also the anything-but-Mac crowd too.

Mac is a Patriot quarterback for at least 3 to 4 more seasons. Either you have alot of new red, white, and blue apparel on your shopping list to go buy,...or it's time to move on.

Unless you were born today, you've clearly missed the hottest thread in the WZ leading up to the Trey Lance pick (and after).

But thanks for chiming in. LOL
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 29, 2021 at 8:53 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Steve Young is one of the smartest QB of all time. He used to cycle through the calls of the entire playbook by memory in preparation for the game with Mike Shanahan. Hes just a bit neurotic as an analyst because he's thinking about too many things while trying to make his point.

Mayo is just fraught with terror.
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.

Oh yeah because the thing Lance lacks is professionalism and leadership. Give me a f**king break dude.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol don't waste you time...my writing is awful, you could spend all day correcting me in here

Not as bad as your mock drafts!

I'm kidding.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I really don't see a huge difference in this clip, and I watched it about 30 times looking at all the little things. Jimmy has a good arm. And his release is elite. It's day and night compared to Treys.

There is a world of difference in velocity in those throws...Jimmy has a moon ball that literally goes off the screen. Lance throws a rope.



I could careless about his release at this point. Means nothing if you can't see the field well, aren't accurate, and refuse to throw it downfield. chad pennington had a quick release.

For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by OhioNiner:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
OK well several weeks ago Steve Young said Trey should just be the starter already and now he says the Niners need to be patient with him (which I agree). I love Steve as much as the next guy but dang, he may have been hit in the head one too many times.

He's a moron - don't listen to him.

Or maybe he didn't consider the locker room and was unaware of how raw Trey was at the time? Steve Young passed the Bar. That man is smart as hell. Some 49er fans, maybe not so much.

For example, while Steve recently said we should "be patient," he also said he wants to see Trey under duress and that "I don't know that we're going to know more unless we get tested now."

In other words his most recent statement was highlighting the pros and cons of each position. But that's too complex for some 49er fans to understand.

Yeah, every time I've read Steve's comments I see a guy thinking and speaking carefully and trying to look at/analyze the whole picture. Even Jerry Rice to in a different way and to a lesser extent.

But that goes over the head of a lot of people who only listen to/take out of something that's said what they want to and typically lined up with what they already believe.

Spot on.

OFFER Lynch's position to Stevey.... I know at one point he wanted to work side by side w/Brent Jones in the front office.

If only. Although Steve has no more team building experience than Lynch.

But I think (no offense John) that Steve is smarter and more meticulous. And I think he has a better understanding of locker room dynamics. I think if Steve was the GM, the 49ers might have traded away Jimmy to head off the locker room troubles that appear to be happening right now. If we had, say, Badford or Dalton, the offense might be a little worse, but no one would have any doubts about this being Trey's team long term, and there would be no George Kittle liking an Instragram post that says that Trey, "Ain't know Kyler Murray." The team hides it, but there is turmoil because people have friendships with Jimmy.

At the end of the day, the players want to win and will get behind whoever gives them the best chance, regardless of friendships. If the average fan can see that Jimmy isn't putting them in position to win, so can the players.

The average fan cannot (exhibit A: 49erswebzone.com). And neither can the average player, who is sweating and bleeding next to their brother.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
I really don't see a huge difference in this clip, and I watched it about 30 times looking at all the little things. Jimmy has a good arm. And his release is elite. It's day and night compared to Treys.

There is a world of difference in velocity in those throws...Jimmy has a moon ball that literally goes off the screen. Lance throws a rope.


I could careless about his release at this point. Means nothing if you can't see the field well, aren't accurate, and refuse to throw it downfield. chad pennington had a quick release.

For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.


Brady has had very good arm strength. Getting tired of this narrative, no offense to you. No, he's not and never been elite in that category, but he's in the top third of QBs, and Brady can throw balls Jimmy can't. He still can put some zip on it (I've seen him throw zinggers as a Buccaneer), and back when he was his most dominant, going back to the 2007 season when he was constantly throwing deep ones to Randy, he definitely up there with the NFL QBs in arm strength, just below that Brett Favre realm of rocket launchers.

These vids show some of those 25 yard "deep" passes, but they also show some top 10ish of the league arm strength throws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYllU5Z1vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pj7_6zBYmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjV2kd3wRJo

He never had a weak arm.

.

And Brady was a 6th round pick because his last year in college he split reps with another QB, not because he had a weak arm. This is actually what Mooch said about passing on him.

.

EDIT — Just to be clear, yeah, arm strength isn't the most important trait. But arm strength enough to make a defense RESPECT you, and your threat to throw it over them, is very important (unless you're Drew Brees and have absurd accuracy and timing).
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Oct 29, 2021 at 9:33 AM ]
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Brady has had very good arm strength. Getting tired of this narrative, no offense to you. No, he's not and never been elite in that category, but he's in the top third of QBs, and Brady can throw balls Jimmy can't. He still can put some zip on it (I've seen him throw zinggers as a Buccaneer), and back when he was his most dominant, going back to the 2007 season when he was constantly throwing deep ones to Randy, he definitely up there with the NFL QBs in arm strength, just below that Brett Favre realm of rocket launchers.

These vids show some of those 25 yard "deep" passes, but they also show some top 10ish of the league arm strength throws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYllU5Z1vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pj7_6zBYmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjV2kd3wRJo

He never had a weak arm.

.

And Brady was a 6th round pick because his last year in college he split reps with another QB, not because he had a weak arm. This is actually what Mooch said about passing on him.

.

EDIT — Just to be clear, yeah, arm strength isn't the most important trait. But arm strength enough to make a defense RESPECT you, and your threat to throw it over them, is very important (unless you're Drew Brees and have absurd accuracy and timing).

I think we basically agree. You yourself say he is below the tier of rocket launcher arms. That was my point. My words were his success is not from having a cannon. Never came close to saying he has a weak arm nor do I believe that for a second.
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