Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

What does any of those guys have to do with Jimmy? Jimmy doesn't have the intangibles of any of those guys. The comparison is moot.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.

lol gtfo with this garbage.

You think dopey Jones is a better leader than Trey Lance just because he went to Bama while Trey played at NDSU? You're just full of awful takes aren't you?

Everyone who met Lance raved about his leadership and intelligence...but because he didn't go to Alabama guys like Deebo and Trent Williams don't care about his abilities as a QB but if he went to Bama then they'd just fall all over his nuts to get a taste of that leadership

Must be why there have been so many successful Alabama QBs in NFL history right? They build those guys to be the best of the best...

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

What does any of those guys have to do with Jimmy? Jimmy doesn't have the intangibles of any of those guys. The comparison is moot.

It's not a comparison to Jimmy. It's in response to the video of JG throwing alongside Trey and folks gushing over Trey's arm strength. My point being that arm strength for a QB is overrated. People gush over it but it doesn't really correlate to having success in the NFL. It's less a commentary on JG more a pump the brakes on the Trey arm strength hype train. Hope this makes sense.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.

This is a terrible take and nonsense. QBs come from schools all time that aren't loaded like Alabama. Lance also comes off as a very likeable guy that is mature for his age. There's been no reports from our players about anything of what you said.

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.

This is a terrible take and nonsense. QBs come from schools all time that aren't loaded like Alabama. Lance also comes off as a very likeable guy that is mature for his age. There's been no reports from our players about anything of what you said.

Lol, he's just trying so hard! Trent Williams came out and stater that Trey has an "Aura, that you can believe in" but sure, he can't lead him!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
There is a world of difference in velocity in those throws...Jimmy has a moon ball that literally goes off the screen. Lance throws a rope.

first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

For what it's worth Mahomes blew prime Chad Pennington out of the water...see how that works.

Rogers has a strong arm and is near GOAT status. Favre had a cannon.

It's cool everyone can cherry pick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

You know who else had elite arm strength?

JaMarcus Russell

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

Why should you not? explain? You shouldn't be throwing a lollipop that takes a half hr to get to the guy either.

Why is throwing out Kap and his arm talent a negative in here? He has great arm talent and was very good at throwing the deep ball...if you think that's taking a shot then jokes on you there.

Wilson has a strong arm...he has the ability to throw it on a rope or arch it for more accuracy/leading the WR. Jimmy doesn't have that, he just floats it up in the air and isn't accurate. This shouldn't even be a debate at this point in his career.

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Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

You know who else had elite arm strength?

JaMarcus Russell

And Mahomes/Allen/Warner/Palmer/Favre/Elway/Marino/Unitas/Kelly/Stafford/young/Rogers etc all have/had great arms.

It's not the only thing that matters, but it allows you to make throws that other QBs simply can't make. IF you don't have that trait you'd better be damn good at other things. The only thing you can tip you hat to with Jimmy is his release time. wow.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

Why should you not? explain? You shouldn't be throwing a lollipop that takes a half hr to get to the guy either.

Why is throwing out Kap and his arm talent a negative in here? He has great arm talent and was very good at throwing the deep ball...if you think that's taking a shot then jokes on you there.

Wilson has a strong arm...he has the ability to throw it on a rope or arch it for more accuracy/leading the WR. Jimmy doesn't have that, he just floats it up in the air and isn't accurate. This shouldn't even be a debate at this point in his career.

I have never heard anyone, ever, talk about elite arm strength and wilson in the same sentence. He has amazing touch and accuracy on his deep balls which Kap never had. I honestly can't believe I even have to state that, it's so obvious to anyone who watches football.

Jimmy's arm is fine, he just lacks accuracy, which is pretty important last time I checked.

Trey actually has touch, just watch any of his highlights in college. Its due to his mechanics, which are more similar to Wilson than Kap.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

Why should you not? explain? You shouldn't be throwing a lollipop that takes a half hr to get to the guy either.

Why is throwing out Kap and his arm talent a negative in here? He has great arm talent and was very good at throwing the deep ball...if you think that's taking a shot then jokes on you there.

Wilson has a strong arm...he has the ability to throw it on a rope or arch it for more accuracy/leading the WR. Jimmy doesn't have that, he just floats it up in the air and isn't accurate. This shouldn't even be a debate at this point in his career.

I have never heard anyone, ever, talk about elite arm strength and wilson in the same sentence. He has amazing touch and accuracy on his deep balls which Kap never had. I honestly can't believe I even have to state that, it's so obvious to anyone who watches football.

Jimmy's arm is fine, he just lacks accuracy, which is pretty important last time I checked.

Trey actually has touch, just watch any of his highlights in college. Its due to his mechanics, which are more similar to Wilson than Kap.

Uhhhh… his arm is one of the best. Dafuq??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
For what it's worth Kaepernick's arm strength blew prime Joe Montana out of the water. Arm strength is one of those talents that gets you drafted near the top of the class (for example Ryan Leaf) yet is not very strongly correlated to actual NFL success. The GOAT Tom Brady is not the goat because he has a cannon arm. He was a 6th round pick. So all this obsession with arm strength is much ado about nothing. Drew Brees is near GOAT status and had a below average arm in terms of velocity. Plus plus arm (perhaps best ever) in terms of accuracy.

For what it's worth Mahomes blew prime Chad Pennington out of the water...see how that works.

Rogers has a strong arm and is near GOAT status. Favre had a cannon.

It's cool everyone can cherry pick.

Lol this.

Elway and Marino too.

It dawns on me every once in awhile that we haven't had "the guy" for a long time. Since Steve Young. Sure, we had Garcia, Alex Smith, Kaepernick, and Jimmy. But they all ended up being brief flashes in the pan. None started more than 75 games for this team, which is less than five full seasons' worth.

Decided to do some research and find out how many teams haven't had a "franchise QB" this entire millennium like us (80+ starts for the same team). Assuming Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes all reach 80 starts for each of their respective teams (all very likely at this point), then there are only six teams who haven't had a franchise quarterback this century: Dolphins, Jets, Broncos, Bucs, Washington, and us.

Please let Trey finally be the guy and not fool's gold like all our other guys this millennium. I want that QB stability so badly