Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I have never heard anyone, ever, talk about elite arm strength and wilson in the same sentence. He has amazing touch and accuracy on his deep balls which Kap never had. I honestly can't believe I even have to state that, it's so obvious to anyone who watches football.

Jimmy's arm is fine, he just lacks accuracy, which is pretty important last time I checked.

Trey actually has touch, just watch any of his highlights in college. Its due to his mechanics, which are more similar to Wilson than Kap.

https://wolfsports.com/nfl/top-ten-tuesday-2020-nfl-quarterback-arm-strength-rankings/

Wilson 6th in the league.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2016/01/17/russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-vontaze-burfict-nfl-divisional-playoffs

Wilson is a true freak of nature, a spring-loaded human being with hands that (to steal a line from former DePaul basketball coach Jerry Wainwright) can palm a manhole cover. You always hear about the importance of arm strength, and because he so freakishly strong and athletic Wilson retains that arm strength on the run, while drifting back, or with a 270-pound pass rusher hanging on his back. Most 6-foot-4 quarterbacks can't do that. And certainly no one in the under-six-foot crowd can.

He can make every single throw on the field because of his arm talent (on the run, off his back foot, across his body etc) THATS what arm strength is.

Who's comparing Wilson to Kap? I never said that...you're just debating yourself there.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

Why should you not? explain? You shouldn't be throwing a lollipop that takes a half hr to get to the guy either.

Why is throwing out Kap and his arm talent a negative in here? He has great arm talent and was very good at throwing the deep ball...if you think that's taking a shot then jokes on you there.

Wilson has a strong arm...he has the ability to throw it on a rope or arch it for more accuracy/leading the WR. Jimmy doesn't have that, he just floats it up in the air and isn't accurate. This shouldn't even be a debate at this point in his career.

I have never heard anyone, ever, talk about elite arm strength and wilson in the same sentence. He has amazing touch and accuracy on his deep balls which Kap never had. I honestly can't believe I even have to state that, it's so obvious to anyone who watches football.

Jimmy's arm is fine, he just lacks accuracy, which is pretty important last time I checked.

Trey actually has touch, just watch any of his highlights in college. Its due to his mechanics, which are more similar to Wilson than Kap.

Uhhhh… his arm is one of the best. Dafuq??

Right? I have no clue how he came to conclusion that he didn't have a strong arm...it's talked about plenty.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
https://wolfsports.com/nfl/top-ten-tuesday-2020-nfl-quarterback-arm-strength-rankings/

Wilson 6th in the league.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2016/01/17/russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-vontaze-burfict-nfl-divisional-playoffs

Wilson is a true freak of nature, a spring-loaded human being with hands that (to steal a line from former DePaul basketball coach Jerry Wainwright) can palm a manhole cover. You always hear about the importance of arm strength, and because he so freakishly strong and athletic Wilson retains that arm strength on the run, while drifting back, or with a 270-pound pass rusher hanging on his back. Most 6-foot-4 quarterbacks can't do that. And certainly no one in the under-six-foot crowd can.

He can make every single throw on the field because of his arm talent (on the run, off his back foot, across his body etc) THATS what arm strength is.

Who's comparing Wilson to Kap? I never said that...you're just debating yourself there.

of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
https://wolfsports.com/nfl/top-ten-tuesday-2020-nfl-quarterback-arm-strength-rankings/

Wilson 6th in the league.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2016/01/17/russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-vontaze-burfict-nfl-divisional-playoffs

Wilson is a true freak of nature, a spring-loaded human being with hands that (to steal a line from former DePaul basketball coach Jerry Wainwright) can palm a manhole cover. You always hear about the importance of arm strength, and because he so freakishly strong and athletic Wilson retains that arm strength on the run, while drifting back, or with a 270-pound pass rusher hanging on his back. Most 6-foot-4 quarterbacks can't do that. And certainly no one in the under-six-foot crowd can.

He can make every single throw on the field because of his arm talent (on the run, off his back foot, across his body etc) THATS what arm strength is.

Who's comparing Wilson to Kap? I never said that...you're just debating yourself there.

of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Wilson has the best deep ball in the game lol

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
It dawns on me every once in awhile that we haven't had "the guy" for a long time. Since Steve Young. Sure, we had Garcia, Alex Smith, Kaepernick, and Jimmy. But they all ended up being brief flashes in the pan. None started more than 75 games for this team, which is less than five full seasons' worth.

Decided to do some research and find out how many teams haven't had a "franchise QB" this entire millennium like us (80+ starts for the same team). Assuming Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes all reach 80 starts for each of their respective teams (all very likely at this point), then there are only six teams who haven't had a franchise quarterback this century: Dolphins, Jets, Broncos, Bucs, Washington, and us.

Please let Trey finally be the guy and not fool's gold like all our other guys this millennium. I want that QB stability so badly

This also helps understand why the big move up for Trey (whether it works or not) makes sense in the grand scheme of things.

So hard for a franchise having mid - upper success to actually land an impactful QB through draft or trade. Have to spend big one way or another.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Wilson has the best deep ball in the game lol

yes exactly

I feel like the people who are down on Trey forget just how young he is.

There is a lot of development that happens for guys. There have been a lot of QBs who have made serious jumps as passers even in college.

Lamar Jackson - while he's not Tom Brady out there he's taken big steps as a pocket passer even back in Louisville. He was a 21 year old rookie as well and looked terrible accuracy wise. He was league MVP in his 2nd season and is one of the most dynamic QBs in the game right now.

Josh Allen - the big comp to Trey. Smaller school, not a ton of throwing experience(although even Allen had almost twice as many as Trey) but Josh was 22 as a rookie. Took him til year 3 to hit his stride.

Mahomes - was 23 when he finally got to start.

Dak Prescott - took a big step forward as a passer in college. That happened when he turned 21/22. He only got better after that.

This is what the team is banking on and nothing so far shows that's an unrealistic expectation. But to me that growth happens more with game reps. I hope Kyle sees that and we start giving the kid time to grow and we give the team time to grow with him.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Wilson has the best deep ball in the game lol

yes exactly

Yes because he has the arm strength to make every throw...how is that hard to grasp?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32050570/nfl-quarterback-council-2021-ranking-top-10-qbs-arm-strength-accuracy-decision-making-rushing-ability-more

ranked 5th strongest arm

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Brady has had very good arm strength. Getting tired of this narrative, no offense to you. No, he's not and never been elite in that category, but he's in the top third of QBs, and Brady can throw balls Jimmy can't. He still can put some zip on it (I've seen him throw zinggers as a Buccaneer), and back when he was his most dominant, going back to the 2007 season when he was constantly throwing deep ones to Randy, he definitely up there with the NFL QBs in arm strength, just below that Brett Favre realm of rocket launchers.

These vids show some of those 25 yard "deep" passes, but they also show some top 10ish of the league arm strength throws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYllU5Z1vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pj7_6zBYmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjV2kd3wRJo

He never had a weak arm.

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And Brady was a 6th round pick because his last year in college he split reps with another QB, not because he had a weak arm. This is actually what Mooch said about passing on him.

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EDIT — Just to be clear, yeah, arm strength isn't the most important trait. But arm strength enough to make a defense RESPECT you, and your threat to throw it over them, is very important (unless you're Drew Brees and have absurd accuracy and timing).

I think we basically agree. You yourself say he is below the tier of rocket launcher arms. That was my point. My words were his success is not from having a cannon. Never came close to saying he has a weak arm nor do I believe that for a second.

Ah, yes, you are right. You do not need a rocket launcher to be a great one. But you DO (with very few exceptions) need to have a strong enough arms to make defenses respect the deep ball and the outside ball.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32050570/nfl-quarterback-council-2021-ranking-top-10-qbs-arm-strength-accuracy-decision-making-rushing-ability-more

ranked 5th strongest arm

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

Because you said something good about Kap (that didn't have to do with his legs)....that is a no no here, and will always motivate some here to bash you're head in asap, so it doesn't happen again.

Got it?!

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm the pre draft process I mentioned how I wasn't sure he could come in and take command of an NFL locker room. He's never played with elite athletes, alpha dogs if you will the way Mac did at Alabama and how well those guys speak of him.
I just couldn't see Deebo and Trent Williams taking orders from a kid form Minnesota and Nortg Dakota's st with one year of starts under his belt. That looks to have been a good call.

That has nothing to do with it. Jones doesn't have an established veterans that teammates would bleed for. Trey was leading BIBLE STUDIES for Christ's sake. On his twitter feed he showed more maturity at 14 years old than Nick Bosa did at 19.

The only reason Trey isn't rising to take command of the team is because he'd be a TERRIBLE leader if he was so presumptuous. This is Jimmy's team to lead until Jimmy is gone — even if Trey replaces him as the starter.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Because you said something good about Kap (that didn't have to do with his legs)....that is a no no here, and will always motivate some here to bash you're head in asap, so it doesn't happen again.

Got it?!

Man it's so true...look Kap might have had his issue in certain areas. I don't understand why we gotta hate on him for everything? What in the hell is wrong with having a strong arm? I'll bet if you ask every GM if they would rather have a noodle arm QB or a strong armed QB, they're gonna go with the latter.

People have narratives to push.

Kap had a great deep ball. let not get s**t twisted.