Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
There is a world of difference in velocity in those throws...Jimmy has a moon ball that literally goes off the screen. Lance throws a rope.

first of all, on deep throws you shouldn't be throwing it in a rope, that's kaepernick s**t.

second, trey throws pretty, high arching deep balls. he did it all the time in college. it's one of the reasons i liked him so much

third, a high arching deep pass is ideal. russell wilson is the master at it.

In college, Lance's deep ball looked a whole lot like Wilson's. I think now that he's in the NFL and the game is so much faster, he's compensating by throwing rockets all the time (although he hasn't really attempted many true deep balls in the NFL).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

your original post said how trey throws the deep pass on a rope and jimmy has an arch.

having an arc on your deep pass is better (wilson) than throwing it on a rope (kap).

thats all im saying. regardless though, trey doesn't actually throw it on a rope in games, which is a good thing.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

your original post said how trey throws the deep pass on a rope and jimmy has an arch.

having an arc on your deep pass is better (wilson) than throwing it on a rope (kap).

thats all im saying. regardless though, trey doesn't actually throw it on a rope in games, which is a good thing.

Lance can throw deep passes with high arc. He did it all the time in college. Look at how some of these tear drop into the bucket.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
of course wilson can make every throw, who said he couldnt? his arm doesnt suck.

wilson to kap? im saying its better to have a deep ball like wilson than kap. how is this confusing to you?

Why are you bringing up Kap vs Wilson? I'm not...again you're debating with yourself there. Kap's deep ball wasn't an issue. SO yeah it's kinda confusing because you're changing the topic.

You just said you've never heard anyone talk about Wilson's arm strength lol?

your original post said how trey throws the deep pass on a rope and jimmy has an arch.

having an arc on your deep pass is better (wilson) than throwing it on a rope (kap).

thats all im saying. regardless though, trey doesn't actually throw it on a rope in games, which is a good thing.

Lance can throw deep passes with high arc. He did it all the time in college. Look at how some of these tear drop into the bucket.

exactly

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
your original post said how trey throws the deep pass on a rope and jimmy has an arch.

having an arc on your deep pass is better (wilson) than throwing it on a rope (kap).

thats all im saying. regardless though, trey doesn't actually throw it on a rope in games, which is a good thing.

I said Jimmy had a lollipop throw...he throws it so high in the air it went off the screen. It takes longer to get to the player. Looks like me throwing a football 40 yards downfield lol.

Toss in the fact that he doesn't have great accuracy/arm strength to get it where it needs to be. He's never leading his WR properly. It's all bad.

Go tell Allen that throwing a rope downfield is bad...it doesn't have to be every throw either, BUT that ability is there regardless. Wilson doesn't just throw high arch deep balls and waterbear proved it.

Also not every Kap deep ball was a rocket, there was touch on those balls all the same.

Trey has plenty of arch on his deep pass. Yes. Jimmy's has more height according to that video but probably takes longer to get to the target. Neither is better than the other, I'm sure, as timing with the receiver most likely plays a bigger role in those deep passes anyway.

Trey has plenty of hang time on his deep ball.

Ask Deebo Samuel about that deep throw on the busted coverage. I'm sure he's willing to give you the recipe for the sandwich he made while he was waiting for it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said Jimmy had a lollipop throw...he throws it so high in the air it went off the screen. It takes longer to get to the player. Looks like me throwing a football 40 yards downfield lol.

Toss in the fact that he doesn't have great accuracy/arm strength to get it where it needs to be. He's never leading his WR properly. It's all bad.

Go tell Allen that throwing a rope downfield is bad...it doesn't have to be every throw either, BUT that ability is there regardless. Wilson doesn't just throw high arch deep balls and waterbear proved it.

Also not every Kap deep ball was a rocket, there was touch on those balls all the same.

wilson is literally known for throwing gorgeous high arching deep balls with precision, i dont know how thats even debatable. as trey's college tape shows, he has the ability do the same, which is ideal.

Throwing passes to a target standing still 40 yards away doesn't require much arc. Jimmy's has more arc because he can't get it there without it.

The important thing is that Trey has shown he is capable of putting a lot of air under the ball is when the situation calls for it, but he is also capable of rocketing it in as well.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
exactly

Kap can as well...




I think people forget how good he was pushing the ball downfield.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said Jimmy had a lollipop throw...he throws it so high in the air it went off the screen. It takes longer to get to the player. Looks like me throwing a football 40 yards downfield lol.

Toss in the fact that he doesn't have great accuracy/arm strength to get it where it needs to be. He's never leading his WR properly. It's all bad.

Go tell Allen that throwing a rope downfield is bad...it doesn't have to be every throw either, BUT that ability is there regardless. Wilson doesn't just throw high arch deep balls and waterbear proved it.

Also not every Kap deep ball was a rocket, there was touch on those balls all the same.

wilson is literally known for throwing gorgeous high arching deep balls with precision, i dont know how thats even debatable. as trey's college tape shows, he has the ability do the same, which is ideal.

Did you not watch Waterbear's clip? It wasn't all high arching deep balls....sorry.

Again no one is throwing rope deep balls EVERY time. That doesn't make sense. The point is HAVEING the ability to do that is important. You're the one that denied that Wilson didn't have elite arm strength. The debate is skill set and what a QB has in his tool belt and what he doesn't

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Trey has plenty of arch on his deep pass. Yes. Jimmy's has more height according to that video but probably takes longer to get to the target. Neither is better than the other, I'm sure, as timing with the receiver most likely plays a bigger role in those deep passes anyway.

if youre throwing to a receiver streaking downfield, throwing with an arch can allow the wr to adjust to the pass better. wilson is the best at that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
exactly

Kap can as well...

Colin Kaepernick with the deep ball#Kaepernick pic.twitter.com/zhRbIRAMhX

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) November 16, 2019

I think people forget how good he was pushing the ball downfield.

If you want to sit around gushing over arm strength feel free. I WANT WINNERS.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Throwing passes to a target standing still 40 yards away doesn't require much arc. Jimmy's has more arc because he can't get it there without it.

This is what I should have just said to begin with...Jimmy looks like me trying to throw a ball 40 yards in the air, when you don't have the arm strength, you tend to arc the ball more to get it there.

Jimmy out there playing 500