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Originally posted by 9erson3:
I really love what Steve Young said during tonight's pregame show. The question to the team was is it better to start or red shirt a rookie QB.

Steve, as he has stated before, not every situation is different. It's all the same. If your good enough you will claw your way out. It's the same situation for all. He said he learned more from his first 2-14 season as a QB then any other. The season sucked but he knew he belonged and that was the most important lesson. He knew he could be an NFL QB despite the horrible first season.

When asked about potential injury for inexperienced player he said then don't play football. Go find another day job.

I completely agree and happy Jimmy played well yesterday but really ready for this situation to be bedded. Let Trey "claw" himself out. Take the lumps. Tell himself I will be an NFL QB with success and let's roll.

Every situation is different because every QB learns at a different rate and every QB comes in with different degrees of experience thus some learning curves will be much steeper than others.

While he is one who may claim to have benefitted from playing early, others have said the exact opposite (like Mahomes). We have seen guys both who played early and who sat, share opinions that contradict Steve's viewpoint.

We also have seen coaches sit their rookies and literally claimed they were not ready. Just because he believes it worked for him doesn't mean it necessarily works for everyone.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
I really love what Steve Young said during tonight's pregame show. The question to the team was is it better to start or red shirt a rookie QB.

Steve, as he has stated before, not every situation is different. It's all the same. If your good enough you will claw your way out. It's the same situation for all. He said he learned more from his first 2-14 season as a QB then any other. The season sucked but he knew he belonged and that was the most important lesson. He knew he could be an NFL QB despite the horrible first season.

When asked about potential injury for inexperienced player he said then don't play football. Go find another day job.

I completely agree and happy Jimmy played well yesterday but really ready for this situation to be bedded. Let Trey "claw" himself out. Take the lumps. Tell himself I will be an NFL QB with success and let's roll.

Every situation is different because every QB learns at a different rate and every QB comes in with different degrees of experience thus some learning curves will be much steeper than others.

While he is one who may claim to have benefitted from playing early, others have said the exact opposite (like Mahomes). We have seen guys both who played early and who sat, share opinions that contradict Steve's viewpoint.

We also have seen coaches sit their rookies and literally claimed they were not ready. Just because he believes it worked for him doesn't mean it necessarily works for everyone.

A few things, and I put all the blame on Kyle, John, and whoever was involved in trading what we did for Trey:
his inexperience is unrivaled. There's never been a qb drafted anywhere near this high with as little experience as Trey has.
We have no idea if he can play in the NFL or not: he has started one year since his high school days. He was not good enough after high school to get any big time offers at the position.
So, he *would be a great candidate to sit, and be eased into the league. Howevah, if he sits this year, that puts him at 1 year playing starting qb since hs, in South Dakota, in like 5 years. Not to mention, how many seasons did he start at qb in high school?
No one can argue that he needs snaps, now, and lots of them.
Buuuut, this is a win now roster, with a qb who took them to a super bowl. Try telling Trent Williams, or The vets that they are putting ting this year away. Because, no matter what you think, going from JG to Trey would be waiving the flag on this year.
Finally, to compound that issue, we have no 1st round pick so cannot afford to win 5 games this year.

In summation, the FO tried to thread a needle between competing now and setting themselves up for the future and it's blowing up in their face. They compounded this by blowing the next 4 picks as well.

My take/solution: count the picks as a sink cost, ride Jimmy out this year or until he gets hurt, go for broke to win every game possible. If JG get hurt or becomes unplayable, go to Trey and never look back. Dump Jimmy in the off-season for what you can and rebuild your offense around Treys strengths, which are way different than Jim's. So good luck
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
A few things, and I put all the blame on Kyle, John, and whoever was involved in trading what we did for Trey:
his inexperience is unrivaled. There's never been a qb drafted anywhere near this high with as little experience as Trey has.
We have no idea if he can play in the NFL or not: he has started one year since his high school days. He was not good enough after high school to get any big time offers at the position.
So, he *would be a great candidate to sit, and be eased into the league. Howevah, if he sits this year, that puts him at 1 year playing starting qb since hs, in South Dakota, in like 5 years. Not to mention, how many seasons did he start at qb in high school?
No one can argue that he needs snaps, now, and lots of them.
Buuuut, this is a win now roster, with a qb who took them to a super bowl. Try telling Trent Williams, or The vets that they are putting ting this year away. Because, no matter what you think, going from JG to Trey would be waiving the flag on this year.
Finally, to compound that issue, we have no 1st round pick so cannot afford to win 5 games this year.

In summation, the FO tried to thread a needle between competing now and setting themselves up for the future and it's blowing up in their face. They compounded this by blowing the next 4 picks as well.

My take/solution: count the picks as a sink cost, ride Jimmy out this year or until he gets hurt, go for broke to win every game possible. If JG get hurt or becomes unplayable, go to Trey and never look back. Dump Jimmy in the off-season for what you can and rebuild your offense around Treys strengths, which are way different than Jim's. So good luck

Weeks into his rookie season where he is in essence sitting, how can one claim they blew 4 picks until Trey gets his chance to be THE guy?

Practice what you preach young brother :

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The hate here just stinks of bitterness.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
A few things, and I put all the blame on Kyle, John, and whoever was involved in trading what we did for Trey:
his inexperience is unrivaled. There's never been a qb drafted anywhere near this high with as little experience as Trey has.
We have no idea if he can play in the NFL or not: he has started one year since his high school days. He was not good enough after high school to get any big time offers at the position.
So, he *would be a great candidate to sit, and be eased into the league. Howevah, if he sits this year, that puts him at 1 year playing starting qb since hs, in South Dakota, in like 5 years. Not to mention, how many seasons did he start at qb in high school?
No one can argue that he needs snaps, now, and lots of them.
Buuuut, this is a win now roster, with a qb who took them to a super bowl. Try telling Trent Williams, or The vets that they are putting ting this year away. Because, no matter what you think, going from JG to Trey would be waiving the flag on this year.
Finally, to compound that issue, we have no 1st round pick so cannot afford to win 5 games this year.

In summation, the FO tried to thread a needle between competing now and setting themselves up for the future and it's blowing up in their face. They compounded this by blowing the next 4 picks as well.

My take/solution: count the picks as a sink cost, ride Jimmy out this year or until he gets hurt, go for broke to win every game possible. If JG get hurt or becomes unplayable, go to Trey and never look back. Dump Jimmy in the off-season for what you can and rebuild your offense around Treys strengths, which are way different than Jim's. So good luck

Weeks into his rookie season where he is in essence sitting, how can one claim they blew 4 picks until Trey gets his chance to be THE guy?

Practice what you preach young brother :

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The hate here just stinks of bitterness.

The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?
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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

Man, Debbie Downer.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

I am. But man, I was legitimately outraged on draft day. I know that's not healthy but I'm not ready to let them off the hook
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

I am. But man, I was legitimately outraged on draft day. I know that's not healthy but I'm not ready to let them off the hook

IDK If you believe he's a bust. At this point, you're clearly hoping he's a bust and never looks better than your boy on another team.

But can you remind us again tomorrow that you were not happy with us not drafting Mac? It'll be my new One-A-Day.
[ Edited by random49er on Nov 1, 2021 at 7:14 PM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

Man, Debbie Downer.

While it's nice to be a homer, and to believe and hope that everyone the 49ers draft will be a hall of famer, you are not a realist if you are watching trey right now and you are not having serious concerns that the niners completely f**ked this up. That doesnt make you a 49er hater.
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

Man, Debbie Downer.

While it's nice to be a homer, and to believe and hope that everyone the 49ers draft will be a hall of famer, you are not a realist if you are watching trey right now and you are not having serious concerns that the niners completely f**ked this up. That doesnt make you a 49er hater.

It's been a small sample size - still way too early to declare one way or another.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Nov 1, 2021 at 7:22 PM ]
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While it's nice to be a homer, and to believe and hope that everyone the 49ers draft will be a hall of famer, you are not a realist if you are watching trey right now and you are not having serious concerns that the niners completely f**ked this up. That doesnt make you a 49er hater.

Are you watching trey right now? If yes,...how bout share with us how you're watching him? (No window creeper stuff)
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While it's nice to be a homer, and to believe and hope that everyone the 49ers draft will be a hall of famer, you are not a realist if you are watching trey right now and you are not having serious concerns that the niners completely f**ked this up. That doesnt make you a 49er hater.

Are you watching trey right now? If yes,...how bout share with us how you're watching him? (No window creeper stuff)

What we've seen from the start of the season to now, PLUS his failure to win the starting job from an average qb, to Shanny's downright refusal to even give him quality snaps during a game is enough to make me concerned.
I'm now very worried. It's still early and he's young. But there is a lot to be concerned about here.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I'm now very worried. It's still early and he's young. But there is a lot to be concerned about here.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While it's nice to be a homer, and to believe and hope that everyone the 49ers draft will be a hall of famer, you are not a realist if you are watching trey right now and you are not having serious concerns that the niners completely f**ked this up. That doesnt make you a 49er hater.

Are you watching trey right now? If yes,...how bout share with us how you're watching him? (No window creeper stuff)

What we've seen from the start of the season to now, PLUS his failure to win the starting job from an average qb, to Shanny's downright refusal to even give him quality snaps during a game is enough to make me concerned.

All that and just watching him in certain situations. I think we can all agree his pocket awareness and accuracy are all fringe at the moment, if that. He doesn't have that quick, easy release on intermediate routes, it's unnatural and causes a wobbly ball with the nose pointed downward. Not good for this offense.
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