Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything in half a season. The other rookie QB's look better so far.

Trey Lance: 4 games, 4 TDs, 1 turnover
Justin Fields: 8 games, 5 TDs, 9 turnovers
Zach Wilson: 6 games, 4 TDs, 9 turnovers
Mac Jones: 8 games, 9 TDs, 7 turnovers
Trevor Lawrence: 7 games, 10 TDs, 12 turnovers

What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

Saying he hasn't shown anything in half a season and the other rookies look better is a disingenuous statement though.

Kyle was never gonna play Lance this yr, he's maintained that thought process since day one...so what's the point in SanDiego's comment? There's not reason to say that when we all know what the plan is right or wrong.

SanDiego's comment was also off the mark since, again, it is an apples and oranges comparison. The situation between Lance and the other QB's on this list simply isn't comparable in any way. At least two of Lance's TD's resulted from the fact that he had specifically been brought in on first and goal situations, which is no knock on him. Kyle but him in a position to succeed and he did, which is how they have chosen to develop him. Under that scenario it is equally disingenuous to compare Lance's TD's to turnover ratio to the other QB's on this list because it is based on a much smaller sample size and half of his total TD's came from being put into specific goal line situations where his chance of success will have been much higher. It's simply a poor response to an inaccurate observation.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything in half a season. The other rookie QB's look better so far.

Trey Lance: 4 games, 4 TDs, 1 turnover
Justin Fields: 8 games, 5 TDs, 9 turnovers
Zach Wilson: 6 games, 4 TDs, 9 turnovers
Mac Jones: 8 games, 9 TDs, 7 turnovers
Trevor Lawrence: 7 games, 10 TDs, 12 turnovers

What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

Saying he hasn't shown anything in half a season and the other rookies look better is a disingenuous statement though.

Kyle was never gonna play Lance this yr, he's maintained that thought process since day one...so what's the point in SanDiego's comment? There's not reason to say that when we all know what the plan is right or wrong.

SanDiego's comment was also off the mark since, again, it is an apples and oranges comparison. The situation between Lance and the other QB's on this list simply isn't comparable in any way. At least two of Lance's TD's resulted from the fact that he had specifically been brought in on first and goal situations, which is no knock on him. Kyle but him in a position to succeed and he did, which is how they have chosen to develop him. Under that scenario it is equally disingenuous to compare Lance's TD's to turnover ratio to the other QB's on this list because it is based on a much smaller sample size and half of his total TD's came from being put into specific goal line situations where his chance of success will have been much higher. It's simply a poor response to an inaccurate observation.

So you think all of the other QBs have had fewer chances in goal-to-go situations? lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle's QB guru over in NY for the yr with Wilson...interesting

LaFleur up in the box for good, Beck on the sidelines makes a lot of sense https://t.co/8lVtpSwByE

— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) November 2, 2021

Whatever they had wasn't working and what they had planned for, kinda ended in tragedy (rip Greg Knapp).

So they are looking for an answer in getting Zach help.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything in half a season. The other rookie QB's look better so far.

Trey Lance: 4 games, 4 TDs, 1 turnover
Justin Fields: 8 games, 5 TDs, 9 turnovers
Zach Wilson: 6 games, 4 TDs, 9 turnovers
Mac Jones: 8 games, 9 TDs, 7 turnovers
Trevor Lawrence: 7 games, 10 TDs, 12 turnovers

What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

OK, so let's try a more 'fair' comparison. Trey's first 1.5 games as QB1 vs the first two starts for the others (passing numbers only):

Mac: 51/69, 74%, 467, 1 TD, 0 INT
Fields: 17/37, 46%, 277, 0 TD, 1 INT
Lawrence: 42/84, 50%, 450, 4 TD, 5 INT
Wilson: 39/70, 56%, 468, 2 TD, 5 INT
Trey: 24/47, 50%, 349, 2 TD, 1INT

Higher completion %, more yards and TDs than Fields. More TDs than Mac. Same TDs as Wilson with 4 fewer INTs. Same completion % as Lawrence.

What's that you say? That isn't fair either because those guys were in their first NFL action (aside from Fields)? Ok, let's look at every QBs most recent two games as a QB1:

Mac: 42/71, 59%, 525, 2 TD, 0 INT
Fields: 41/59, 70%, 359, 1 TD, 4 INT
Lawrence: 57/95, 60%, 557, 2 TD, 1 INT
Wilson: 25/42, 60%, 243, 0 TD, 1 INT
Trey: 24/47, 50%, 349, 2 TD, 1INT

Aside from completion %, I'd say he has pretty damn well measured up to every other QB.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The next 4 picks were Banks, Sermon, Thomas, Moore/Lenoir. So 4 out of 5.
And yea, I do believe Trey is a bust but he wasn't counted in the *next 4

Are you even a 9ers fan?

I am. But man, I was legitimately outraged on draft day. I know that's not healthy but I'm not ready to let them off the hook

lol.

You wanted the next Andy Dalton, and you were outraged that we took Lance. Hilarious.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

Lance has only made 1 start and has 4 TD's. Zach Wilson has made 6 starts and has 4 TD's…

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

Lance has only made 1 start and has 4 TD's. Zach Wilson has made 6 starts and has 4 TD's…

This is meaningless. Lance was literally put in on our opening drive of the season and would vulture TDs in games he didn't start.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is meaningless. Lance was literally put in on our opening drive of the season and would vulture TDs in games he didn't start.

He doesn't "vulture" TDs

His threat as a runner and a passer creates better opportunities making it easier for the offense to score

Our red zone scoring is top in the NFL (78.95% TD conversion) and it isn't because Jimmy G (in the 2019 SB run we were at 55%)

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is meaningless. Lance was literally put in on our opening drive of the season and would vulture TDs in games he didn't start.

He doesn't "vulture" TDs

His threat as a runner and a passer creates better opportunities making it easier for the offense to score

Our red zone scoring is top in the NFL (78.95% TD conversion) and it isn't because Jimmy G (in the 2019 SB run we were at 55%)

My point was it's misleading to say he has 4 TDs in only 1 start. In his one start he actually accounted for a grand total of zero TDs.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything in half a season. The other rookie QB's look better so far.

Trey Lance: 4 games, 4 TDs, 1 turnover
Justin Fields: 8 games, 5 TDs, 9 turnovers
Zach Wilson: 6 games, 4 TDs, 9 turnovers
Mac Jones: 8 games, 9 TDs, 7 turnovers
Trevor Lawrence: 7 games, 10 TDs, 12 turnovers

What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

OK, so let's try a more 'fair' comparison. Trey's first 1.5 games as QB1 vs the first two starts for the others (passing numbers only):

Mac: 51/69, 74%, 467, 1 TD, 0 INT
Fields: 17/37, 46%, 277, 0 TD, 1 INT
Lawrence: 42/84, 50%, 450, 4 TD, 5 INT
Wilson: 39/70, 56%, 468, 2 TD, 5 INT
Trey: 24/47, 50%, 349, 2 TD, 1INT

Higher completion %, more yards and TDs than Fields. More TDs than Mac. Same TDs as Wilson with 4 fewer INTs. Same completion % as Lawrence.

What's that you say? That isn't fair either because those guys were in their first NFL action (aside from Fields)? Ok, let's look at every QBs most recent two games as a QB1:

Mac: 42/71, 59%, 525, 2 TD, 0 INT
Fields: 41/59, 70%, 359, 1 TD, 4 INT
Lawrence: 57/95, 60%, 557, 2 TD, 1 INT
Wilson: 25/42, 60%, 243, 0 TD, 1 INT
Trey: 24/47, 50%, 349, 2 TD, 1INT

Aside from completion %, I'd say he has pretty damn well measured up to every other QB.

But what's their any/a thingy mabobber

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is meaningless. Lance was literally put in on our opening drive of the season and would vulture TDs in games he didn't start.

He doesn't "vulture" TDs

His threat as a runner and a passer creates better opportunities making it easier for the offense to score

Our red zone scoring is top in the NFL (78.95% TD conversion) and it isn't because Jimmy G (in the 2019 SB run we were at 55%)

This guy is something else. Takes being a Jimmy homer to a whole other level.

Originally posted by krizay:
But what's their any/a thingy mabobber

Right? IAY, BTT, W-L record, or GTFO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle's QB guru over in NY for the yr with Wilson...interesting

LaFleur up in the box for good, Beck on the sidelines makes a lot of sense https://t.co/8lVtpSwByE

— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) November 2, 2021

Wish we did this!

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The point is they are playing, when will Lance start playing, next year? Let's see now, he doesn't play this year, he didn't play last year so he will be going into year three without playing. Also keep in mind the level of competition he went up against in college, not Division 1. How many fans on the Zone have seen him play a full college game, were they even televised? I need something tangible, not talks of speculation and high ceilings.

Such an informative poster he doesn't even know that the qb played D1…don't need to read much more

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything in half a season. The other rookie QB's look better so far.

Trey Lance: 4 games, 4 TDs, 1 turnover
Justin Fields: 8 games, 5 TDs, 9 turnovers
Zach Wilson: 6 games, 4 TDs, 9 turnovers
Mac Jones: 8 games, 9 TDs, 7 turnovers
Trevor Lawrence: 7 games, 10 TDs, 12 turnovers

What is this supposed to prove? Lance has APPEARED in 4 games but he has only started one. Everyone else on this list, except Fields, has been the day one starter for their team which means they will all have had more plays and more pass attempts. Talk about apples and oranges. There isn't anything that is comparable between Lance and the others in those numbers. Compare all of the stats between the players for the same number of plays to start the careers and it might be slightly more meaningful but not by much since again, outside of the Cardinals game Lance has only been in on a situational basis which is very different from being a starter. I have no doubt that Lance's day will come and then these kind of comparisons might have some value but right now it seems kind of pointless.

That's right. The others have proven they can be the starter.