Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Scooper1:
https://youtu.be/tIQHmY84hbk

Both make great points. I tend to agree with Alex. Also, Steve young is the reason I am a niners fan, but man do I think he's not great on the air. I'd way rather listen to Alex l. I think he will be great in TV

PS. Sorry couldn't get it to embed.

Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

Like Alex said the organization has put a lot of stock in these guys, why force them if they are not ready? Treys time will come. If not this year, very soon.

Originally posted by 9moon:
GRADING all the rookie QBs this season is a waste of time... someone will obviously look better than the other, but that doesn't mean HE should have been the choice !!!

I'll wait til 2025 before giving out the final grade..

Wow,...9moon dropping the knowledge today!!

Please drop this in the Mac Jones cult thread that's out of control with 49ers excited about New England's improvement.

The same ones that say the best players will probably be rookies that didn't play as a rook are posting all-time QB stats for rookies

They're complete lost on the reality that a rookie season doesn't define a career.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys are programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

That's why i said... And I quote "Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys are programmed the same."

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

This…Smith was setup for failure with the coaching staff and roster around him. That matters WAY MORE then if he sits for a yr.

If kyle thinks sitting him is the best route fine…they paid Jimmy and now have to live with that.

people thinking he's gonna be Mahomes because he sat a yr, need to be realistic…. End of the day the main thing that will making him better is playing football. Not holding a clipboard.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

This…Smith was setup for failure with the coaching staff and roster around him. That matters WAY MORE then if he sits for a yr.

If kyle thinks sitting him is the best route fine…they paid Jimmy and now have to live with that.

people thinking he's gonna be Mahomes because he sat a yr, need to be realistic…. End of the day the main thing that will making him better is playing football. Not holding a clipboard.

I don't. I understand he'll be a year older and have a huge understanding of how the NFL works, how to take care of himself, how NFL defenses work, clock management, a years worth of practice. You guys seem to think that's pointless I think it's a HUGE benefit. He's not going to be Mahomes next year regardless lol. Hell be 22. His growth is not going to be magically stunted because he's 22 instead of 21.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

I like the debate but you really want to bring up the most pro ready qb of all time as your talking point????

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
I don't. I understand he'll be a year older and have a huge understanding of how the NFL works, how to take care of himself, how NFL defenses work, clock management, a years worth of practice. You guys seem to think that's pointless I think it's a HUGE benefit.

Agree to disagree with them and move to something else. No one here is getting to decide anyway.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

I like the debate but you really want to bring up the most pro ready qb of all time as your talking point????

The debate is pointless because everyone here is lacking the needed info. See the poste above.

Until he plays alot more, we're in the dark going back and forth about stuff we really dont know much of anything about. He works with the coaching staff,...they have a pretty good idea of things.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

i think it's situational.

1. Peyton manning was a far higher level prospect than alex smith -not debatable. Also, Manning was extremely well developed from a mental standpoint. Even though he thew 20 picks his rookie year, you could see what was happening, it was not a rookie QB looking lost and getting crushed. As a rookie, manning was in a battle of mind games vs veteran DCs - sure, he came up short often, but there are very few rookie QBs who are able to come into the league and go toe to toe with DCs. Manning was ready to play

2. Alex smith came from a triple option spread offense focused on reading one or two defenders to see if he should hand off, pull and run or throw the quick pass. he was not prepared to come into an awful team with an awful coach into a system that was completely foreign to him. He was also never as physically gifted as manning. Alex NEEDED to sit if we were insistent on running a WCO

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Good watch! Personally I think starting a 21 year old Alex ruined his potential to be something better. He was young and dumb and putting the entire franchise on his back at that age was stupid. Now some can obviously handle it but not all these guys a programmed the same. To the point if Trey. Him sitting for a year is not going to hurt a thing or him coming in if Jimmy doesn't get it done the pressure is far less

In the same way you can claim that Alex Smith starting as a rookie ruined him,...I can say that the only reason Peyton Manning had a HOF career was because of the opportunity to play and take his lumps as a rookie. Otherwise he would've never been the QB he became after sitting for a full year.

You see how this easily works both ways? Nothing is definitive for either side of the argument and will not be until time machines are created.

This…Smith was setup for failure with the coaching staff and roster around him. That matters WAY MORE then if he sits for a yr.

If kyle thinks sitting him is the best route fine…they paid Jimmy and now have to live with that.

people thinking he's gonna be Mahomes because he sat a yr, need to be realistic…. End of the day the main thing that will making him better is playing football. Not holding a clipboard.

I'd say that's been pretty well solidified at this point.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
GRADING all the rookie QBs this season is a waste of time... someone will obviously look better than the other, but that doesn't mean HE should have been the choice !!!

I'll wait til 2025 before giving out the final grade..

Wow,...9moon dropping the knowledge today!!

Said noone ever.

*random*

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
GRADING all the rookie QBs this season is a waste of time... someone will obviously look better than the other, but that doesn't mean HE should have been the choice !!!

I'll wait til 2025 before giving out the final grade..

Wow,...9moon dropping the knowledge today!!

Said noone ever.

*random*

the fact that even moon is some making sense there should tell you all you need to know about Mac fan club

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
GRADING all the rookie QBs this season is a waste of time... someone will obviously look better than the other, but that doesn't mean HE should have been the choice !!!

I'll wait til 2025 before giving out the final grade..

Wow,...9moon dropping the knowledge today!!

Said noone ever.

*random*

the fact that even moon is some making sense there should tell you all you need to know about Mac fan club

Nobody is ever ready to do something they have never done before. Being prepared is one thing but preparedness is never as valuable as experience.

A player who is drafted to start should start immediately, take the lumps of failure and gain the experience as soon as possible.

However, if he is thrown in, the people around him MUST have patience and provide full support.