Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He got MORE accurate, son. His rookie completion percentage was 52.8. His second season was 58.8. His third season was 69.2. Is that easy enough for you to understand? I don't know how much more remedial I can make it.

EDIT -- for some reason I thought you were actually responding to me and not emphasizing my post. So this actually is directed to SD. LMAO.

I was like wut? Lol

Oh great, the two loudest anti-Jimmy, pro-Stafford posters are going after each other now.

We better win this weekend! LOL

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I would love that. I would be happy to eat massive Crow and see the 49ers win.

What's the point in even complaining about it or putting your foot in the sand over Lance right now? Kid hasn't had a chance to do anything yet and you've made up your mind over him, just cause.

SF is literally doing what you want them to do in this situation (playing Jimmy letting Lance sit and learn) and you're complaining about it?

what's the point man. Let's see what the kids got when he's ready to play, we all knew whomever they picked at 3 wasn't playing much this yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yeah, agree on the pain of giving up 3 first round picks, when they could have used two of them to move up and get another Bosa/Haley 2.0

Having said that, this QB has Steve Young 2.0 written on him. Imagine Steve on some of those playoff teams that *didn't* make it to the super bowl. He could have been the difference. I mean chris dolman would have had a tough time catching him.

If Steve had Haley, im betting you he could most likely add 3 more Superbowls to his resume.

Who was Bosa in this draft? I'm glad that they felt convicted in moving up for a QB for once…people need to calm their tits over a kid that hasn't even gotten the chance to play yet….same people saying he needs to sit and start Jimmy are the same people that are calling him a bust or the wrong pick….it's incredibly stupid and a horrible hypocritical thing to say.

Well thats 3 first round picks that could have been used to bolster other positions to help Jimmy out. Thats the cost of drafting Trey.

Having said that- using the pareto principle - it makes sense to use 80% of your draft capital on the critical 20% impact position. (QB and to a lesser extent DE).

As for the Trey is a Bust folks. They get attached to wins just like me. Jimmy doesn't wow those guys with foot speed or arm strength, but rather with wins. Those guys dont want to let go of Jimmy for the uncertain possibility of a hall of fame QB or the next Kaepernick.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well thats 3 first round picks that could have been used to bolster other positions to help Jimmy out. Thats the cost of drafting Trey.

Having said that- using the pareto principle - it makes sense to use 80% of your draft capital on the critical 20% impact position. (QB and to a lesser extent DE).

As for the Trey is a Bust folks. They get attached to wins just like me. Jimmy doesn't wow those guys with foot speed or arm strength, but rather with wins. Those guys dont want to let go of Jimmy for the uncertain possibility of a hall of fame QB or the next Kaepernick.

The next kapaernick.

What do you mean

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
No because they've been successful. Theyve shown they can win with him. They went to the superbowl with him. That's not a waste of time.

Okay so you're complaining that Lance isn't playing, also saying he needed to develop for a yr, and Jimmy was the better option to win right now?

do you not see all the contradicting statements going on with you on this topic.

If he was ready next year week 1 I'd be ecstatic. I don't know if he will be ready. From what I've seen this is a 2 or even 3 year project. Also you're saying he needs game time to improve. So essentially next year will be a learning year for trey with the HOPE that he becomes a premier qb by the following year.

Bottom line this type of project was not smart with this type of roster. This is a kove that should have been done year 1 of shanlynchs regime while they build.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yes 3 first round picks while wasting kittle deebo and bosas prime years for "fine". Kill me now.

You're a big Jimmy guy,....no? No you see having him lead the charge is a waste of time??

No because they've been successful. Theyve shown they can win with him. They went to the superbowl with him. That's not a waste of time.

I'm referring to wasting deebo and kittle's prime years,...you know that Jimmy is still this team's QB as we waste these years, right?

If we are wasting their years, then you're saying Jimmy starting here is a waste.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh great, the two loudest anti-Jimmy, pro-Stafford posters are going after each other now.

We better win this weekend! LOL

Woahhhh loudest anti-Jimmy pro-Stafford posters (at least me) isn't true my man.

I just think Stafford is more talent and Jimmy is an avg starting QB who we should try and upgrade from…been my stance since last yr

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yes 3 first round picks while wasting kittle deebo and bosas prime years for "fine". Kill me now.

You're a big Jimmy guy,....no? No you see having him lead the charge is a waste of time??

No because they've been successful. Theyve shown they can win with him. They went to the superbowl with him. That's not a waste of time.

I'm referring to wasting deebo and kittle's prime years,...you know that Jimmy is still this team's QB as we waste these years, right?

If we are wasting their years, then you're saying Jimmy starting here is a waste.

In a way yes. The moves to get trey impacted this year's roster. When you could have used the picks to get guys to help this year.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well thats 3 first round picks that could have been used to bolster other positions to help Jimmy out. Thats the cost of drafting Trey.

Having said that- using the pareto principle - it makes sense to use 80% of your draft capital on the critical 20% impact position. (QB and to a lesser extent DE).

As for the Trey is a Bust folks. They get attached to wins just like me. Jimmy doesn't wow those guys with foot speed or arm strength, but rather with wins. Those guys dont want to let go of Jimmy for the uncertain possibility of a hall of fame QB or the next Kaepernick.

The next kapaernick.

What do you mean

You know...
The - politics politics politics - dude.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he was ready next year week 1 I'd be ecstatic. I don't know if he will be ready. From what I've seen this is a 2 or even 3 year project. Also you're saying he needs game time to improve. So essentially next year will be a learning year for trey with the HOPE that he becomes a premier qb by the following year.

Bottom line this type of project was not smart with this type of roster. This is a kove that should have been done year 1 of shanlynchs regime while they build.

There's so much wrong in here and it's full of bias takes simply because you didn't want to draft him…you should preface everything you say in this thread with "I didn't want Lance" because that's all you're saying end of the day.

first off the whole point is you haven't seen anything to make any judgement either way….one game in W5 getting tossed out there after getting no meaningful reps for over 5 months? Give me a break.

literally every single player you draft is HOPING they become good, so that comment is pointless. Yes he needs reps and that's why I've kept saying that!

bottom line is this roster has a ton of young players, not old vets with a yr left before they retire.

guess what they didn't do that so f**king deal with it. He's the QB of the future and they will do what they feel is right for him and this team long-term. You get to watch your boy Jimmy play and Lance gets to learn for a yr….complaining about it is pointless especially since no one has seen the kid play meaningful football to make a fair judgement on him.

Just relax and give the kid a chance.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yes 3 first round picks while wasting kittle deebo and bosas prime years for "fine". Kill me now.

You're a big Jimmy guy,....no? No you see having him lead the charge is a waste of time??

No because they've been successful. Theyve shown they can win with him. They went to the superbowl with him. That's not a waste of time.

I'm referring to wasting deebo and kittle's prime years,...you know that Jimmy is still this team's QB as we waste these years, right?

If we are wasting their years, then you're saying Jimmy starting here is a waste.

In a way yes. The moves to get trey impacted this year's roster. When you could have used the picks to get guys to help this year.

The picks as in plural? False. That would've been 1 pick that could've helped this year.

Conversely, we had 2 picks from the year before that have had a year of seasoning and could help this year. But thus far this year,...how much are they helping?

You see the the hypocrisy? Probably not. But there are no guarantees that rookies come in right away and help,...virtually always.

It can clearly be argued that not setting up to replace Jimmy years ago is why their years are being "wasted." There's the old adage, "better late than never."

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by mattster03:
Not b***hing about the player. b***hing about the draft capital cost. It's already painfully apparent the Niners spent too much draft capital to get this project of a QB.

Big time project!

He'll be fine.

Yes 3 first round picks while wasting kittle deebo and bosas prime years for "fine". Kill me now.

Yeah, agree on the pain of giving up 3 first round picks, when they could have used two of them to move up and get another Bosa/Haley 2.0

Having said that, this QB has Steve Young 2.0 written on him. Imagine Steve on some of those playoff teams that *didn't* make it to the super bowl. He could have been the difference. I mean chris dolman would have had a tough time catching him.

If Steve had Haley, im betting you he could most likely add 3 more Superbowls to his resume.

If he becomes anything close to Steve I'd be ecstatic. The one positive with trey I I've seen is his drive desire and heart which reminds me of steve

Agree, with you on that. He's a hard worker, and clearly he's no dummy with regards to absorbing one of the most complex football playbooks in the world. Add that to that -- the fact that he scrambles to look to pass, vs scrambling to get some yardage because he's not confident in his passing ability vs his run ability. I think Kyle got lucky, in a sense, that Covid made the 2021 draft such an uncharted and unpredictable draft. Every team probably had different grades for for each and every player because nobody and no team could really scout in person.

I think Trey fell to Kyle (in a sense) because Trey just couldn't play. Vs guys like Mac, Fields and Lawrence with all those games on film prior to Covid under their belts. If Trey could have played because of no Covid, I'd predict that Lawrence and Trey would be up there fighting for being the number 1 pick in the draft.

I think Lance should get ready to see some action in this game Young defense of the Jags ripe for over aggressive misdirection plays. Lance gonna be awesome.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think Lance should get ready to see some action in this game Young defense of the Jags ripe for over aggressive misdirection plays. Lance gonna be awesome.

Agreed, seems like a good game to try to use Trey to get to the edge quickly and run to daylight, put him in for a few roll-out option plays.

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think Lance should get ready to see some action in this game Young defense of the Jags ripe for over aggressive misdirection plays. Lance gonna be awesome.

Agreed, seems like a good game to try to use Trey to get to the edge quickly and run to daylight, put him in for a few roll-out option plays.

Not with Josh Allen guarding that edge.