Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Niners are 2 and 8 with trey. Lions and jags. That's it.

They don't beat the eagles
They get killed by the Packers.
The bears d would have killed Trey
They get killed by the Rams
They lose twice to the Cardinals
They lose to the colts

If you think otherwise you've got blinders on. He is NOT ready, and may never be. They're only 5 and 5 because the defense has struggled, not because of jimmy.

Subject take based off nothing but bias takes.

The 49ers lost by a bigger margin to the Cardinals with Jimmy at QB than with Trey. The Bears D didn't show up when the Niners played them. Without their best pass rusher the QB had all day to throw. I've never seen Jimmy with that much time.

Bigger margin? Youre going to compare the niners defense at Arizona than the one that didn't even show up at Levi's? How many points did the niners score against the Cardinals with trey?

I'm all for Trey taking a year off to learn. The only problem I'm having here is that some posters are trying to argue that the niners would be in the same boat if trey started from the beginning. It's insane. Trey goggles are in full effect.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Bigger margin? Youre going to compare the niners defense at Arizona than the one that didn't even show up at Levi's? How many points did the niners score against the Cardinals with trey?

I'm all for Trey taking a year off to learn. The only problem I'm having here is that some posters are trying to argue that the niners would be in the same boat if trey started from the beginning. It's insane. Trey goggles are in full effect.

jimmy has shown he is not ready to give up his job. no reason to bring in trey at all unless they want to run some wildcat.. but hell.. even jimmy has show he can score sneak and run em in. the idea that we would be as good or better if trey were given the keys on day one is dumb in my opinion

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Niners are 2 and 8 with trey. Lions and jags. That's it.

They don't beat the eagles
They get killed by the Packers.
The bears d would have killed Trey
They get killed by the Rams
They lose twice to the Cardinals
They lose to the colts

If you think otherwise you've got blinders on. He is NOT ready, and may never be. They're only 5 and 5 because the defense has struggled, not because of jimmy.

Subject take based off nothing but bias takes.

The 49ers lost by a bigger margin to the Cardinals with Jimmy at QB than with Trey. The Bears D didn't show up when the Niners played them. Without their best pass rusher the QB had all day to throw. I've never seen Jimmy with that much time.

Bigger margin? Youre going to compare the niners defense at Arizona than the one that didn't even show up at Levi's? How many points did the niners score against the Cardinals with trey?

I'm all for Trey taking a year off to learn. The only problem I'm having here is that some posters are trying to argue that the niners would be in the same boat if trey started from the beginning. It's insane. Trey goggles are in full effect.

It's not insane at all, it's a theory (one that I had from the start of the season) that if you start Trey off with the easier games on the schedule, by the time he's taken his lumps through the tough part he'd be good to go by now.

We'll never know, but I find it hard to believe we'd be worse than 5-5.

For what it's worth I'm not sure Trey would be as good this year as Jimmy is playing now.

It was more about Trey enabling Kyle to access more of his offense, not just straight up Trey Vs Jimmy.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
But, to Catch's point, even with Deebo at RB the plays are still the same, just different personnel looks.

For example, the misses TD to Wilson, that was spider 2 y Banana. Just crazy personnel swaps that confused the heck out of JAX's defense. Was also why we kissed the TD, just happened that Wilson flashed open cause you never throw the Venus on spider 2 y banana! Jk, it's not the Venus. But, it wasn't the intended route.

I see more read-option looks incorporated to hold DE's and such. But Kyle's been running the wide-zone play action game a long time and he's wanting Trey to run that offense, not tailoring his offense to Trey like he had to do with RGIII

I feel the same way. Every coach has a style and type of offense they prefer. Kyle has shown what he likes and he's not going to change it much.

My point is, he doesn't have to. Adding a wrinkle here and there to take advantage of Trey's skill set is likely. He's calling plays now that maximize what Jimmy does best. I'm sure he'll do the same with Trey but within the framework of Kyle's offense.

I don't think there's any question, Kyle will dial up plays exclusively for Trey.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Then you're criticizing Shanahans handling of the situation. You're also assuming that Trey would improve with certainty. That's never a given. Look at zach Wilson.

Im not stating anything. I never said what would happen, you said we'd lose all these games. Just as it's not a given he would improve, it's not a given he wouldn't.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think there's any question, Kyle will dial up plays exclusively for Trey.

Of course he will because Trey can do some things Jimmy can't . The offense will look mostly the same though. Short passes and a strong running game. That's Kyle's offense. The difference will be he will be able to through in some QB options that should make the running game even better. Deeper passes are a possibility but we'll have to see how well Trey does on those. H ehas the arm strength. It's more how well he meshes with the receivers.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Because treys not ready. I don't see what you're getting at.

But kyle even didn't dispute the story that Trey took some steps back in training camp. Which is fine, it's just a learning curve. But people who continue to say Trey would be better than Jimmy right now are just not being realistic.

You are stating where trey is this second, with basically no first team practices, no experience. You are saying that experience from week 1 would not have made him better by week 3/5/8/etc. and you have no idea what would have happened if he was the starter all along

This.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Here's the rub....and I'm glad Jimmy is playing well the last few weeks.

If Trey started Week 1 and the rest of the way to now....would we be at least 5-5?

I say easy hell ****ing yes we would be no worse than 5-5 based on what I saw in that AZ game.

And that 5-5 is with 10 games of experience now under Trey's belt and by end of season he's not really a rookie anymore. And if we squeaked into the playoffs with a Lance w 17 games of experience, I believe we would be far more dangerous to do damage in the playoffs than w Jimmy at the helm.

Jimmy is getting this year clearly now. He better take as to the NFC title game or better or we just blew a year of experience for Trey and for what....nothing. and a qb that won't be here next here.

But he got hurt in his first start.

I liked a lot of what I saw but he got beat up bad. He could use some more seasoning on the bench while the team is winning.

Agree here. Beat up is on Shanahan's play calling in that AZ game. If that is how he envisions play calling with Lance on a regular basis he will get injured.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Here's the rub....and I'm glad Jimmy is playing well the last few weeks.

If Trey started Week 1 and the rest of the way to now....would we be at least 5-5?

I say easy hell ****ing yes we would be no worse than 5-5 based on what I saw in that AZ game.

And that 5-5 is with 10 games of experience now under Trey's belt and by end of season he's not really a rookie anymore. And if we squeaked into the playoffs with a Lance w 17 games of experience, I believe we would be far more dangerous to do damage in the playoffs than w Jimmy at the helm.

Jimmy is getting this year clearly now. He better take as to the NFC title game or better or we just blew a year of experience for Trey and for what....nothing. and a qb that won't be here next here.

But he got hurt in his first start.

I liked a lot of what I saw but he got beat up bad. He could use some more seasoning on the bench while the team is winning.

Agree here. Beat up is on Shanahan's play calling in that AZ game. If that is how he envisions play calling with Lance on a regular basis he will get injured.

Yeah, can't keep calling for QB runs up the middle.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Here's the rub....and I'm glad Jimmy is playing well the last few weeks.

If Trey started Week 1 and the rest of the way to now....would we be at least 5-5?

I say easy hell ****ing yes we would be no worse than 5-5 based on what I saw in that AZ game.

And that 5-5 is with 10 games of experience now under Trey's belt and by end of season he's not really a rookie anymore. And if we squeaked into the playoffs with a Lance w 17 games of experience, I believe we would be far more dangerous to do damage in the playoffs than w Jimmy at the helm.

Jimmy is getting this year clearly now. He better take as to the NFC title game or better or we just blew a year of experience for Trey and for what....nothing. and a qb that won't be here next here.

But he got hurt in his first start.

I liked a lot of what I saw but he got beat up bad. He could use some more seasoning on the bench while the team is winning.

Agree here. Beat up is on Shanahan's play calling in that AZ game. If that is how he envisions play calling with Lance on a regular basis he will get injured.

Yeah, can't keep calling for QB runs up the middle.

I didn't see a lot of QB run calls. What I did see is a QB that was panicking a bit and started running before going through all his reads. Unfortunately all his reads were taking too long and he had to start running or he'd be sacked, and hence he ran much too often and got hurt. Towards the end, he wasn't reading as much as he was doing the Kaepernick thing of one read and go, and I think Kyle didn't want him to develop those kinds of bad habits and hence he's not allowed him to play once Jimmy was healthy. He'll be able to iron out his speed reading skills over the offseason - he was just thinking too much out there for my taste to allow him to play vs Jimmy. Jimmy is just flat out unconscious in that he just sees it and throws it without any sort of thinking at all.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I didn't see a lot of QB run calls. What I did see is a QB that was panicking a bit and started running before going through all his reads. Unfortunately all his reads were taking too long and he had to start running or he'd be sacked, and hence he ran much too often and got hurt. Towards the end, he wasn't reading as much as he was doing the Kaepernick thing of one read and go, and I think Kyle didn't want him to develop those kinds of bad habits and hence he's not allowed him to play once Jimmy was healthy. He'll be able to iron out his speed reading skills over the offseason - he was just thinking too much out there for my taste to allow him to play vs Jimmy. Jimmy is just flat out unconscious in that he just sees it and throws it without any sort of thinking at all.

Giedi, thanks for the post, as I never believed the "hooey" that kyle called all those running plays because he was trying to injure Trey. But i couldn't put my finger on it and wasn't sure what to make of it….other than it looked like something familiar, but it bugged me not knowing what. Then when you explained your thinking and the similarity to Kap's one read and GO, i knew immediately that you had gotten it right. It explains exactly what happened, and altho i knew for certain that Trey wasn't near ready for the bigs, i just missed what you observed, or rather intuitited.

Absolutely no question in my mind, that is what happened. 100 pts for figuring it out…and kyle sure as heck wasn't going to say that…yet that is exactly what happened. Retrospectively, I knew trey was nowhere near ready to play, and Kyle sure wasn't going to do something to ruin his nascent career. Way to go bud. That was the most introspective post i've read in a long, long time. And now I'm not trying to figure out what all that was about.

also kudos to kyle for recognizing it and pulling him before trey degraded into more of a one read and GO QB. Now the comments about JG and 2022, become a little clearer.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Here's the rub....and I'm glad Jimmy is playing well the last few weeks.

If Trey started Week 1 and the rest of the way to now....would we be at least 5-5?

I say easy hell ****ing yes we would be no worse than 5-5 based on what I saw in that AZ game.

And that 5-5 is with 10 games of experience now under Trey's belt and by end of season he's not really a rookie anymore. And if we squeaked into the playoffs with a Lance w 17 games of experience, I believe we would be far more dangerous to do damage in the playoffs than w Jimmy at the helm.

Jimmy is getting this year clearly now. He better take as to the NFC title game or better or we just blew a year of experience for Trey and for what....nothing. and a qb that won't be here next here.

Why do people act like the only way to get better as a football player is game reps? Hell, it's not even the BEST way to get better as a football player.

So many assume that Trey's abilities are staying stagnant by him holding a clipboard, like all those hours and reps he's doing in practice is all for nought.

2022 Trey will be lightyears ahead of 2021 Trey, even if 2021 Trey doesn't see the field again this season (but I'm hoping he does).

The only big things I can see Trey learning from in-game reps are situational football, feel of the speed of the game, and how to command a huddle (i.e. be a leader), and most of these can be taught to a certain degree in practice.

Everyone needs to chill. Lance was raw af coming out, but also has the skillset to be a superstar. Kyle and John are bringing him along perfectly imo.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Here's the rub....and I'm glad Jimmy is playing well the last few weeks.

If Trey started Week 1 and the rest of the way to now....would we be at least 5-5?

I say easy hell ****ing yes we would be no worse than 5-5 based on what I saw in that AZ game.

And that 5-5 is with 10 games of experience now under Trey's belt and by end of season he's not really a rookie anymore. And if we squeaked into the playoffs with a Lance w 17 games of experience, I believe we would be far more dangerous to do damage in the playoffs than w Jimmy at the helm.

Jimmy is getting this year clearly now. He better take as to the NFC title game or better or we just blew a year of experience for Trey and for what....nothing. and a qb that won't be here next here.

Why do people act like the only way to get better as a football player is game reps? Hell, it's not even the BEST way to get better as a football player.

So many assume that Trey's abilities are staying stagnant by him holding a clipboard, like all those hours and reps he's doing in practice is all for nought.

2022 Trey will be lightyears ahead of 2021 Trey, even if 2021 Trey doesn't see the field again this season (but I'm hoping he does).

The only big things I can see Trey learning from in-game reps are situational football, feel of the speed of the game, and how to command a huddle (i.e. be a leader), and most of these can be taught to a certain degree in practice.

Everyone needs to chill. Lance was raw af coming out, but also has the skillset to be a superstar. Kyle and John are bringing him along perfectly imo.

Gave up several years of first rounders for a QB who is "raw af"

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Gave up several years of first rounders for a QB who is "raw af"

Yup, and sometimes those "raw af" QBs end up being Patrick Mahomes. It's a gamble, but one worth the risk.