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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
So every QB that's had a better career and shown to be a better player in their prime than Jimmy is great?

Nevertheless see how long you can keep this promise. You went over the rules with someone a page or two ago. Just wondered if making up quotes from posters that don't exist over and over and cant be found is against the rules too?

I wouldn't throw the rules in someone else's face when you constantly break them as others are trying to discuss the team and stay on whatever the topic is.

Not at all.

I don't recall promising anyone anything.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I added all I have to say about him

I took this to mean you'll stop gaslighting responses with the constant Stafford references out of nowhere?

So you're saying you're done with Stafford, but you're not promising that you're done?
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I can't wait until he earns the starting job. His fundamentals are solid and his speed is deceptive. Just needs to orchestrate Kyle's offense the way Kyle wants and display his god given talent when the opportunity allows it.

I can see *one* area where Trey will excel past Jimmy - moving pockets. Example: sprint right option. I think you can move Trey one way or another and use screens, options (like the sprint right options) etc.. almost like orchestrated scramble drills - to really screw up defenses. Specially if they are selling out against the pass or blitzing. I think moving pockets with Trey in there a QB, with his deadly accuracy on the move and that rocket arm, can rack up points. As a counter to the sprint right option, if they are camping on those right side short routes, is a screen to the other side of the field (again all designed - not ad hoc) to take advantage of that wonderful rocket arm he has. I've seen Aaron move one way and throw left to the screen on the other side of the field for devastating effect. I can see Trey doing the same thing.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
So every QB that's had a better career and shown to be a better player in their prime than Jimmy is great?

Nevertheless see how long you can keep this promise. You went over the rules with someone a page or two ago. Just wondered if making up quotes from posters that don't exist over and over and cant be found is against the rules too?

I wouldn't throw the rules in someone else's face when you constantly break them as others are trying to discuss the team and stay on whatever the topic is.

Not at all.

I don't recall promising anyone anything.


Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I added all I have to say about him

I took this to mean you'll stop gaslighting responses with the constant Stafford references out of nowhere?

So you're saying you're done with Stafford, but you're not promising that you're done?

LOL. No, I am not saying anything like that. I saw a long post you made about Stafford and replied with all I had to.say about your post. I may do the same thing again one day.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i never said cut, i said supported like how you are saying you did. i don't really want to list anything as i'm not trying drag you here.

as for developing, everyone agrees playing time helps. i think everyone agrees sitting helps

but to start developing a rookie with a team that can go very far in the post season when you have a QB that has already helped take us to the SB is not the right move

What do you mean support? I've said I'll support/root for whomever is the starting QB in SF…Again you can go find me saying that multiple times. What do you think I'm doing on game day? Actively rooting for Jimmy to suck and hope we lose lol? Come on man.

We have no idea what this team is or isn't…yes they won 3 games, they also lost 4 out of 5 games at one point as well.
Dude before the season and up until Trey for sure wasn't going to be an option anymore you been advocating anyone but jimmy

supporting the team on gameday doesn't change how you feel about him. if you can get rid of him right now, you would.. don't lie about that
There are real people who thought the worst top QB prospect of the draft was gonna be anything more than a clipboard holder his rookie year, and they spent an entire summer convinced he'd take Jimmy's job by week 5-6 at the latest. Adorable
[ Edited by Aj_hwd954 on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:35 AM ]
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
There are real people who thought the worst top QB prospect of the draft was gonna be anything more than a clipboard holder his rookie year, and they spent an entire summer convinced he'd take Jimmy's job by week 5-6 at the latest. Adorable

Hmm, who started for us in week 5? Seems like they were right.
At the end of the day I truly hope Trey is a guy we can all support together and we don't have the s**t fans to constantly dismiss anything and everything he does. Hopefully he's absolutely perfect on every throw and every read and we can all support him and not pick him apart for hitting a receiver right in the hands like the supposed innocents deniers did.
[ Edited by TreyDeyEeyDey on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:45 AM ]
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
So every QB that's had a better career and shown to be a better player in their prime than Jimmy is great?

Nevertheless see how long you can keep this promise. You went over the rules with someone a page or two ago. Just wondered if making up quotes from posters that don't exist over and over and cant be found is against the rules too?

I wouldn't throw the rules in someone else's face when you constantly break them as others are trying to discuss the team and stay on whatever the topic is.

Not at all.

I don't recall promising anyone anything.


Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I added all I have to say about him

I took this to mean you'll stop gaslighting responses with the constant Stafford references out of nowhere?

So you're saying you're done with Stafford, but you're not promising that you're done?

LOL. No, I am not saying anything like that. I saw a long post you made about Stafford and replied with all I had to.say about your post. I may do the same thing again one day.

New content regarding new events, or the same old content mixed in with half-truths and bad recollections?

If the latter, why do you want to bring him up again out of nowhere one day? What more is there to say?

Going forward, no one here cares about Stafford.
[ Edited by random49er on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:48 AM ]
I think it's unreasonable at this point to expect to see more than a play here and there from Trey this season. Unless Jimmy gets hurt, we've seen about all we're going to see this season.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
At the end of the day I truly hope Trey is a guy we can all support together and we don't have the s**t fans to constantly dismiss anything and everything he does. Hopefully he's absolutely perfect on every throw and every read and we can all support him and not pick him apart for hitting a receiver right in the hands like the supposed innocents deniers did.

Speaking of deniers.

Do you not see the post right before yours?

There's even more people trying to mock the selection of Trey Lance then people actually hating on Jimmy G.

Meanwhile in the Jimmy g thread people are saying he's playing better than multiple MVP candidates, he makes throws only a handful of other QBs can make, he makes throws only he and Aaron Rodgers can make, we will fetch at least a first round pick for Jimmy, he will be our starter in 2022, and it goes on and on.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think it's unreasonable at this point to expect to see more than a play here and there from Trey this season. Unless Jimmy gets hurt, we've seen about all we're going to see this season.

Nope. Barring an injury or Jimmy sucking enough to get us out of the playoff hunt I'm not sure Kyle liked the juggling of QBs and play calling. Maybe in a short yard situation or a gimmick play but not often, if at all.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
At the end of the day I truly hope Trey is a guy we can all support together and we don't have the s**t fans to constantly dismiss anything and everything he does. Hopefully he's absolutely perfect on every throw and every read and we can all support him and not pick him apart for hitting a receiver right in the hands like the supposed innocents deniers did.

Speaking of deniers.

Do you not see the post right before yours?

There's even more people trying to mock the selection of Trey Lance then people actually hating on Jimmy G.

Meanwhile in the Jimmy g thread people are saying he's playing better than multiple MVP candidates, he makes throws only a handful of other QBs can make, he makes throws only he and Aaron Rodgers can make, we will fetch at least a first round pick for Jimmy, he will be our starter in 2022, and it goes on and on.

Show examples in the Jimmy"The Winner"(lol remember how much that triggered some of you?) thread thanks...
[ Edited by TreyDeyEeyDey on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:58 AM ]
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
At the end of the day I truly hope Trey is a guy we can all support together and we don't have the s**t fans to constantly dismiss anything and everything he does. Hopefully he's absolutely perfect on every throw and every read and we can all support him and not pick him apart for hitting a receiver right in the hands like the supposed innocents deniers did.

Speaking of deniers.

Do you not see the post right before yours?

There's even more people trying to mock the selection of Trey Lance then people actually hating on Jimmy G.

Meanwhile in the Jimmy g thread people are saying he's playing better than multiple MVP candidates, he makes throws only a handful of other QBs can make, he makes throws only he and Aaron Rodgers can make, we will fetch at least a first round pick for Jimmy, he will be our starter in 2022, and it goes on and on.

Show examples in the Jimmy"The Winner"(lol remember how much that triggered some of you?) thread thanks...

Huh? Are you trying to say it's not true?

Because frankly I remember some posters claiming that many people blame Jimmy G for all of our struggles. For weeks I asked anyone to prove someone said that and even offered money as a reward.

Not a single person has took me up on my offer.

And yet I'm willing to prove everything I've said happened because I don't need to lie or stretch the truth to make my arguments… unlike some people.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
At the end of the day I truly hope Trey is a guy we can all support together and we don't have the s**t fans to constantly dismiss anything and everything he does. Hopefully he's absolutely perfect on every throw and every read and we can all support him and not pick him apart for hitting a receiver right in the hands like the supposed innocents deniers did.

Speaking of deniers.

Do you not see the post right before yours?

There's even more people trying to mock the selection of Trey Lance then people actually hating on Jimmy G.

Meanwhile in the Jimmy g thread people are saying he's playing better than multiple MVP candidates, he makes throws only a handful of other QBs can make, he makes throws only he and Aaron Rodgers can make, we will fetch at least a first round pick for Jimmy, he will be our starter in 2022, and it goes on and on.

Show examples in the Jimmy"The Winner"(lol remember how much that triggered some of you?) thread thanks...

Huh? Are you trying to say it's not true?

Because frankly I remember some posters claiming that many people blame Jimmy G for all of our struggles. For weeks I asked anyone to prove someone said that and even offered money as a reward.

Not a single person has took me up on my offer.

And yet I'm willing to prove everything I've said happened because I don't need to lie or stretch the truth to make my arguments… unlike some people.

Show examples in the Jimmy"The Winner"(lol remember how much that triggered some of you?) thread thanks...
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
That garbage sounds like a lot of Tr_EXCUSES. If he could play and add any value he would play. But he has not proven that so far.

I think you might be hitting that drum a little hard. Lance hasn't shown much because he hasn't had much opportunity to do so. In the one start he did have he looked like a rookie with limited experience, which is what he is. By next season he will have had two full training camps two preseasons and a full regular season to have studied and learned what it takes to play QB in the NFL. Although he will probably be lacking much in the way of actual game reps if the team keeps on his current trajectory he will have had whatever benefits being on the scout team have to offer.

I have yet to see any reports questioning his work ethic or ability to grasp the offense. Like all running QB's he will need to learn to not rely on his legs at the first sign of trouble and that long term success in the NFL requires that players learn how to win from the pocket. If the team around him is strong enough that will help make up for some of his inexperience.

Of course, the problem is that a lot of defensive players are on one year contracts this year for what they all assumed would be a Super Bowl run with a better payday on the other side so we'll have to see how all that plays out. On the plus side he has a lot of young talent that he can grow with on the offensive side Aiyuk, Mitchell, and Samuel. He'll even be able to get a few more year out of Kittle. As I have said before I have zero expectations for Lance at the moment and am just waiting for his turn to come in and show my what he can do. Hopefully it will be good enough to take care of the team's QB position for the next ten years.

I'm confident, not so much in Trey, but in Kyle. So based on that, I think Trey will be fine. What Kyle has done to help with the development of other QB's including Jimmy, gives me confidence that once Trey gets going as QB 1, his progress as a 49er QB should be rapid, fast and breathtaking. (I hope )

.. just can't wait what KS & JL will then say if Baby Face doesn't turn out to be the next Mahomes..

Personally, I think he has the physical gifts to be as good or better than Mahomes. We shall see.

He has the rocket arm, blazing footspeed, great elusiveness in running, has very good pocket awareness. Good accuracy on the move, good accuracy in the pocket, hard worker, willing to learn, relatively injury free (from his college history). He seems to be very bright, and seems to pick football things up very quickly. Even if he only has 70% of Jimmy's mental processing power, the physical attributes may make that a wash. My hope is that he's WAY better than Jimmy and hopefully can have a career like Tom Brady.

Based on your previous posts I am assuming that much of this is said with with your tongue in your cheek but it this is exactly the kind of thing that raises my hackles in discussions of Lance. He may indeed possess all of the qualities that some people attribute to him but at this particular point in time, December 2nd and 10:05 AM PST there is no one, no one, except maybe Kyle Shanahan, who has any real notion of what kind of Pro Lance will turn out to be. It is all conjecture, speculation and projection at this point based on a very small sample size.

The history of the NFL is littered with the broken dreams of Heisman winning QB's from big schools who have gone on to have nothing to write home about careers in the NFL. In fact it seems as though a lot of them become journeyman back-ups or are out of the league entirely within a few years. Given that, I'm not quite sure how the 'potential" of an under recruited kid from a Division II school has been elevated to the level it seems to have been among some posters. Lance is young and is in a great position to write his own NFL story but right now we are still in the prelude, we haven't even gotten to the first chapter yet. All that has happened is that we have been introduced to the character. Next year, when his story will probably start in earnest we'll all have a chance to see how it plays out. Like any fan I am hoping for the best but I will reserve judgement until I actually get to see him play for extended periods in games that matter, which seems like it should be a reasonable approach for just about anyone.
[ Edited by 49ers81 on Dec 2, 2021 at 11:21 AM ]
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