Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree on your point that if Lance played more, he'd be neck and neck with Trevor Lawrence for the first pick/first round spot. 
Covid came at the right time for Trey and the 49ers, just like Jimmy's injury came at the right time for Bosa. 
I think sitting Trey benefits him and the team in a lot of ways. Team can shoot for a playoff spot, and Trey gets to see how a NFL QB handles himself in front of the press, how he practices, his mindset and attitude, how he takes care of his body (or how not to take care of his body -- I'm disturbed by how he's sliding the same way Jimmy is, and that he's taking on Linebackers the same way Jimmy is). 
I also don't think he'll start out with a lot of struggling (by that I mean a lot of losses) because if you surround Trey with a good team, he can go directly into the playoffs. Dak Prescott would be my example of that.
The hardest thing about intangibles is there's no stats for those. You have to look at the play. Jimmy has a ton of intangibles, just by looking at what he does on the field and in given situations (2019 games in New Orleans, Steelers etc...) But from what I've seen of him - he has the most needed intangibles vs a guy like Johnny Manziel. I'm confident he can continue to develop from the Neck up.
As for Reps, he's getting them now. And at a very high level vs his collegiate days. Technically speaking, Trey would still be in school getting reps at North Dakota State (if he didn't submit for the 2021 NFL draft) vs live reps against elite athletes in the NFL at 4949 Marie P. Debartolo Way. 
In practice they can stop play and go over the mistakes a lot easier than in a real live game. All in all, I'm confident we'll see Jimmy's mind in a Trey Lance body. That's what Kyle wanted and I think that's what Kyle is shooting for by drafting Trey. If we can get two number 1 picks for Jimmy, even better -- but for that to happen -- Jimmy's got to win the super bowl. 
Trey developing beyond Jimmy. Trey's athleticism is so sky high - and if you look at Kyle's run game now, it ain't nuthin' yet once Trey's the QB 1. That run game is going to be so devastating because of the creativity of Kyle, the presence of Mitchell, and the development of that OLine. That OLine isn't the same OLine that we had back in 2017 for sure. 
3rd and short will be impossible to stop. I remember the '94 49ers averaging almost 6 yards per play. I think the Trey offense can go beyond that level. 
Oh no I wasn't trying to say Lance with more time could have been drafted over TL. Lawrence had an amazing college career and is the real deal. My point was if Lance stayed this yr, played like he did in the past, he would have been the top QB in this draft and possibly the #1 overall pick.
He's not getting meaningful reps...I will totally disagree with that. What he's doing as a scout QB is not "live reps" nor is it running this scheme or playing with the guys he will be playing with on Sundays for the most part. It's all very much staged during the season. I don't want Jimmy's mind in Lance's body...Jimmy can run the scheme Kyle wants to run with him, but he's not some amazing pre/post snap QB and film backs that up. I want him to be better than that, which of course will take time.
Kyle is basically starting from the start with Lance the way he's doing it...that's fine. I just don't want to hear all he b***hing next yr when he's not mahomes all of a sudden. It's a different player/situation and not fair to the kid.
Sorry to disappoint you bud. News flash, Life isn't fair. If life was fair, I'd make as much money as Kaepernick.
I disagree that you think Trey's practice reps are *meaningless* - I think they are essential and meaning-full. When you are learning anything, you have to make sure you get the good foundations down, if not, then whatever you build on that is built on quicksand, vs Granite. Secondly, you don't want to ruin a players confidence. You always hear Kyle say, "The game isn't too big for him..." That's translated as confidence. Once lost, confidence is very hard to get back, and can retard a players evolution by years. Make the mistakes in practice when the game is *not on the line* vs when it is on the line. Those mistakes will burn a mans soul. I'm sure Jimmy will never forget that overthrown ball to Emmanuel Sanders in the super bowl. Imagine a thousand negative plays like that - because Trey was played too soon. That will affect his belief in himself and his confidence - if he played a real game with *real* consequences. In practice, those mistakes can be brushed off. Not so much those real game mistakes.
I think Jimmy's mind is one of the best QB minds in the business. To be that efficient on the limited amount of throws shows you how well he's processing the defensive reads, and also how Kyle's assembled the kind of talent around Jimmy to make Jimmy's skillset come out. Again, I don't think the offense will significantly change under Trey vs Jimmy. I think it will still be a heavy run offense and the occasional QB throw - even with Trey involved. Where I think the offense will change is in the periphery - Kyle will add more plays that take advantage of Trey's mobility (Jimmy has none). I was even thinking maybe Kyle would get a Tyreek Hill 2.0 to take advantage of Trey's rocket arm (much more powerful than Jimmys), but on second thought, why? NC pointed out that if Kyle has a powerful ground game, he thought it would be more of an advantage to get a 2nd Deebo instead. I agree with him after some thought.
Practice is also useful to Kyle to judge when Trey will be ready to take on real in-game reps. I defer to Kyle on that matter in developing QB's. I think he has more experience than I do on that matter.
You don't mind if I think Kyle knows better about developing QB's than you do, right?
