Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:
Garoppolo is not going to be here next season. Even if we manage to win the SB with him.

They're trying to drive up his trade value. Simple as that.

I disagree there, if we win the 6th there's no way Jimmy is traded. We'd push everything a year down the line. Sign Moseley and maybe DJ to future loaded deals, let the rest walk and wait and see if we repeat.

It's ok to disagree but you saw the team trade Buckner after 2019. A guy who is one of the best at his position in the prime of his career with no injury history.

why? Because the team realized their best way to keep a good team together is by moving him and using the money and draft picks to add to the roster.

There are a ton of free agents on this team and many around the league signed 1 year deals which means free agency this year will be pretty epic. Keeping Lance on the bench for so long is not a smart move for his growth or the best way to field a strong team.

It's not just Jimmy's play at stake here. It's his contract. Shave off 27 million dollars and suddenly you can make some serious moves in free agency and extend your key players to build around the young QB…while also adding needed draft capital you lost by trading up for the young kid.

I get that Trey is young but eventually he needs to play. Keeping Jimmy for the money he's making next year is absolutely not going to happen. It makes no business sense.

I think we can sign Deebo and keep Jimmy without too much of a problem - and go into the offseason with some good cap space to sign good free agents to fill the holes in this team. However, signing *both* Deebo and Bosa without letting Jimmy go is going to be a challenge. If Deebo is 18 million, Bosa's numbers will be (I think) around 10+ million or maybe more.

I think AB said in 2022 we're only about 12 million under the cap.

That's the thing…we took Lance for a reason. We gave up so much for a reason. Even if we win the SB with Jimmy(big IF obviously) can we really say we won it because of him?

He's made some key throws in big moments for sure but he's pretty much game manager status right now. What's the upside to keeping him for one more year? Are we going to sign him to a new deal and trade Trey? Highly doubtful so what's the upside? Status quo?

Does Trey need to sit for 2 years? That will be almost 3 years with very little live action. That's 2 years off his rookie deal and a chance to really build a solid roster around the young QB we invested so much in.

IMO it's a no brainer. You lose the salary, get the draft pick(s) for the guy you're not going to extend anyways.

The other flip side is Trey. You want to see what he can do as much as possible so when you hopefully look to extend him to a new deal you're confident you have THE guy.

Kap got like a year and a half before his extension. Jimmy got his deal after 5 games.

Team has to be smart about this and I'm confident they will be.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:
Garoppolo is not going to be here next season. Even if we manage to win the SB with him.

They're trying to drive up his trade value. Simple as that.

I disagree there, if we win the 6th there's no way Jimmy is traded. We'd push everything a year down the line. Sign Moseley and maybe DJ to future loaded deals, let the rest walk and wait and see if we repeat.

It's ok to disagree but you saw the team trade Buckner after 2019. A guy who is one of the best at his position in the prime of his career with no injury history.

why? Because the team realized their best way to keep a good team together is by moving him and using the money and draft picks to add to the roster.

There are a ton of free agents on this team and many around the league signed 1 year deals which means free agency this year will be pretty epic. Keeping Lance on the bench for so long is not a smart move for his growth or the best way to field a strong team.

It's not just Jimmy's play at stake here. It's his contract. Shave off 27 million dollars and suddenly you can make some serious moves in free agency and extend your key players to build around the young QB…while also adding needed draft capital you lost by trading up for the young kid.

I get that Trey is young but eventually he needs to play. Keeping Jimmy for the money he's making next year is absolutely not going to happen. It makes no business sense.

I think we can sign Deebo and keep Jimmy without too much of a problem - and go into the offseason with some good cap space to sign good free agents to fill the holes in this team. However, signing *both* Deebo and Bosa without letting Jimmy go is going to be a challenge. If Deebo is 18 million, Bosa's numbers will be (I think) around 10+ million or maybe more.

I think AB said in 2022 we're only about 12 million under the cap.

It may come down to whether Jimmy is willing to restructure his contract and take less money next year. I doubt that he will and would probably prefer a trade. He'll be taking up around 13-14% of the cap next year. Can they afford that for a guy that they know is going to be gone the following year for sure. They have the 3rd worst draft capital going into next year and will need money for free agents. Plus are they going to waste another year of development for Trey? Another of the advantages of a young QB is the break you get in the cap space for 4 years. If they bring Jimmy back next year that's 2 years of that wasted as well.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:
Garoppolo is not going to be here next season. Even if we manage to win the SB with him.

They're trying to drive up his trade value. Simple as that.

I disagree there, if we win the 6th there's no way Jimmy is traded. We'd push everything a year down the line. Sign Moseley and maybe DJ to future loaded deals, let the rest walk and wait and see if we repeat.

It's ok to disagree but you saw the team trade Buckner after 2019. A guy who is one of the best at his position in the prime of his career with no injury history.

why? Because the team realized their best way to keep a good team together is by moving him and using the money and draft picks to add to the roster.

There are a ton of free agents on this team and many around the league signed 1 year deals which means free agency this year will be pretty epic. Keeping Lance on the bench for so long is not a smart move for his growth or the best way to field a strong team.

It's not just Jimmy's play at stake here. It's his contract. Shave off 27 million dollars and suddenly you can make some serious moves in free agency and extend your key players to build around the young QB…while also adding needed draft capital you lost by trading up for the young kid.

I get that Trey is young but eventually he needs to play. Keeping Jimmy for the money he's making next year is absolutely not going to happen. It makes no business sense.

I think we can sign Deebo and keep Jimmy without too much of a problem - and go into the offseason with some good cap space to sign good free agents to fill the holes in this team. However, signing *both* Deebo and Bosa without letting Jimmy go is going to be a challenge. If Deebo is 18 million, Bosa's numbers will be (I think) around 10+ million or maybe more.

I think AB said in 2022 we're only about 12 million under the cap.

It may come down to whether Jimmy is willing to restructure his contract and take less money next year. I doubt that he will and would probably prefer a trade. He'll be taking up around 13-14% of the cap next year. Can they afford that for a guy that they know is going to be gone the following year for sure. They have the 3rd worst draft capital going into next year and will need money for free agents. Plus are they going to waste another year of development for Trey? Another of the advantages of a young QB is the break you get in the cap space for 4 years. If they bring Jimmy back next year that's 2 years of that wasted as well.

There is simply no benefit to Trey sitting next year. You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup, especially when you need cap space and can get something for Jimmy.

Kyle even admitted Trey has the playbook down and just needs reps. So why would you sit him next year?

LOL. There is no way the 49ers trade Jimmy Garoppolo away IF he wins the Super Bowl. He also will not be asked to restructure his contract. He will probably get additional years tacked onto it.

It also means the debut of Trey Lance will be pushed back a year or two.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:
Garoppolo is not going to be here next season. Even if we manage to win the SB with him.

They're trying to drive up his trade value. Simple as that.

I disagree there, if we win the 6th there's no way Jimmy is traded. We'd push everything a year down the line. Sign Moseley and maybe DJ to future loaded deals, let the rest walk and wait and see if we repeat.

It's ok to disagree but you saw the team trade Buckner after 2019. A guy who is one of the best at his position in the prime of his career with no injury history.

why? Because the team realized their best way to keep a good team together is by moving him and using the money and draft picks to add to the roster.

There are a ton of free agents on this team and many around the league signed 1 year deals which means free agency this year will be pretty epic. Keeping Lance on the bench for so long is not a smart move for his growth or the best way to field a strong team.

It's not just Jimmy's play at stake here. It's his contract. Shave off 27 million dollars and suddenly you can make some serious moves in free agency and extend your key players to build around the young QB…while also adding needed draft capital you lost by trading up for the young kid.

I get that Trey is young but eventually he needs to play. Keeping Jimmy for the money he's making next year is absolutely not going to happen. It makes no business sense.

I think we can sign Deebo and keep Jimmy without too much of a problem - and go into the offseason with some good cap space to sign good free agents to fill the holes in this team. However, signing *both* Deebo and Bosa without letting Jimmy go is going to be a challenge. If Deebo is 18 million, Bosa's numbers will be (I think) around 10+ million or maybe more.

I think AB said in 2022 we're only about 12 million under the cap.

That's the thing…we took Lance for a reason. We gave up so much for a reason. Even if we win the SB with Jimmy(big IF obviously) can we really say we won it because of him?

He's made some key throws in big moments for sure but he's pretty much game manager status right now. What's the upside to keeping him for one more year? Are we going to sign him to a new deal and trade Trey? Highly doubtful so what's the upside? Status quo?

Does Trey need to sit for 2 years? That will be almost 3 years with very little live action. That's 2 years off his rookie deal and a chance to really build a solid roster around the young QB we invested so much in.

IMO it's a no brainer. You lose the salary, get the draft pick(s) for the guy you're not going to extend anyways.

The other flip side is Trey. You want to see what he can do as much as possible so when you hopefully look to extend him to a new deal you're confident you have THE guy.

Kap got like a year and a half before his extension. Jimmy got his deal after 5 games.

Team has to be smart about this and I'm confident they will be.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, I just don't think you're taking into account that the QB that leads you to a Superbowl victory is practically untouchable. I'm not sure Kyle could sell it to his team.

They'll all be gunning for a repeat and then they have to go through the ups and downs of an inexperienced QB.

IMO it's the only scenario Jimmy stays next year.

I can't wait for the Trey era, but if Jimmy wants to deliver #6, I'll wait a little longer.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
LOL. There is no way the 49ers trade Jimmy Garoppolo away IF he wins the Super Bowl. He also will not be asked to restructure his contract. He will probably get additional years tacked onto it.

It also means the debut of Trey Lance will be pushed back a year or two.

Maybe, maybe not. I think if he plays in the SB like he did vs the Vikings in the playoffs last year there's a chance we move on. Not a huge chance but a chance none the less.

Its stupid to talk about either way. There's still a chance we miss the playoffs, let's worry about that road when we come across it.

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

Next year is going to be so interesting. If Jimmy is gone, they'll need to invest in another QB, most likely a veteran, with a very similar skill set to Trey. The whole offense will change and become tailored to his skill set and right now, nobody on the roster has that. I'd hate to have a rookie QB with a similar skill set backing him up in case Trey goes down again.

So if that's the case, who's the veteran backup QB and how much are you willing to pay for that security? It won't be cheap.

Need to keep Jimmy for as long as we can keep winning with him. There's no harm in starting a winning QB and having a young backup ready to take the keys as well. I don't think there has been a situation where it hurts the young backup.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Next year is going to be so interesting. If Jimmy is gone, they'll need to invest in another QB, most likely a veteran, with a very similar skill set to Trey. The whole offense will change and become tailored to his skill set and right now, nobody on the roster has that. I'd hate to have a rookie QB with a similar skill set backing him up in case Trey goes down again.

So if that's the case, who's the veteran backup QB and how much are you willing to pay for that security? It won't be cheap.

Trey would have played had Jimmy not been available, I think that's obvious from how healthy he was at the practice he returned.

A backup is a backup is a backup, the styles don't have to be the same, you can adapt. Kyle has already adapted his offense, once to get Trey in, and again to keep Jimmy passing out of Shotgun and not Play action.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

My goodness. Probably best to make the playoffs first.

Jimmy is getting traded - no matter what happens.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

My goodness. Probably best to make the playoffs first.

Not only make them this year but win the ZSB before talking about a repeat. Better teams than this one have lost in the SB and those that won haven't repeated often.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Jimmy is getting traded - no matter what happens.

But what if he throws for 350+ yds/game, 4TDs/game, 0 Ints, runs for 100 yds/game and another TD/game, goes undefeated, AND wins the SB?

Yep, still gonna get traded. We'll just get more for him.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Jimmy is getting traded - no matter what happens.

But what if he throws for 350+ yds/game, 4TDs/game, 0 Ints, runs for 100 yds/game and another TD/game, goes undefeated, AND wins the SB?

Yep, still gonna get traded. We'll just get more for him.

Yeah, we're not going to sit Trey for another year. Jimmy will get traded for a first if he wins the Super Bowl.