Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nah. our offense won't look radically different with Trey. If we rebuild our playbook to add dozens of RPO options for Trey then Shanny is a fool and deserves to be fired. We did not draft trey lance to be a human punching bag. Our Play book will not change that much but our offense will change in the distribution of route trees that are called. Shanny will start opening up the field with treys arm strength using timing/outs/deep outs. maybe hell design a naked qb boot or two. But I don't see the QB as a run option 7x per game. No way. Trey's not fast enough to be a premier rpo threat (in the pros). And he is way short at protecting himself. Better to develop him as a pocket passer reading the field than turn him into a fullback with an arm.

I do see it totally different. Not to open up Trey dashing down the field play after play. That will be used to get us out of some 3rd down situations. I do still see the run attack in heavy play but now we will see many more down field throws.

We all know Kyle demands blocking in this era but George, in my opinion, the WRs, will not have to be used so much as blocking machines and chance injury. Don't think he will ever not run that style offense but if Trey can get it out and complete passes we won't be so dependent on blocking for a huge run game plan.

Trey should open up a whole new look. How can we call Kyle dumb for this when no one has seen it come to life? I can't wait for a new look offense.

Brodie is in for a rude awakening if he doesn't think this offense will look totally different. I don't necessarily mean better (hopefully) or worse but different in style, play calls, timing, volume swings, off schedule, etc.

Is "off schedule" a play design now?

What do you see changing in the proportion of pass/run? Other than changes in first option/route trees? How many times do you see shanny calling run for Trey per game? less than 3 imo.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

My goodness. Probably best to make the playoffs first.

True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

So if we don't trade Jimmy if we win the sb, how do we extend Deebo and Bosa? Do we let one of them walk? It seems more preposterous to let one of them walk then to trade Jimmy after a sb win. Especially after spending 3 first round draft picks on a QB.

R.E.S.T.R.U.C.T.U.R.E

So you think Jimmy will take a paycut after winning a sb?

First of all, we are not winning a super bowl this year guys. Our defense and special teams are too erratic. Sorry to put a damper on things.

BUT if Jimmy gets us out of the first round, maybe the second...?...

If Jimmy throws 1 pick every 3 games between now and playoffs?

1 fumble every five games...?....

Oh yea baby.

He back.

Well obviously it was a hypothetical and the chances of winning the sb this year is slim to none.

I dont think we need to get to the big show to have jimmy come back for 2022. He just has to play low turnover football and make 3rd down throws. That's it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nah. our offense won't look radically different with Trey. If we rebuild our playbook to add dozens of RPO options for Trey then Shanny is a fool and deserves to be fired. We did not draft trey lance to be a human punching bag. Our Play book will not change that much but our offense will change in the distribution of route trees that are called. Shanny will start opening up the field with treys arm strength using timing/outs/deep outs. maybe hell design a naked qb boot or two. But I don't see the QB as a run option 7x per game. No way. Trey's not fast enough to be a premier rpo threat (in the pros). And he is way short at protecting himself. Better to develop him as a pocket passer reading the field than turn him into a fullback with an arm.

I do see it totally different. Not to open up Trey dashing down the field play after play. That will be used to get us out of some 3rd down situations. I do still see the run attack in heavy play but now we will see many more down field throws.

We all know Kyle demands blocking in this era but George, in my opinion, the WRs, will not have to be used so much as blocking machines and chance injury. Don't think he will ever not run that style offense but if Trey can get it out and complete passes we won't be so dependent on blocking for a huge run game plan.

Trey should open up a whole new look. How can we call Kyle dumb for this when no one has seen it come to life? I can't wait for a new look offense.

Brodie is in for a rude awakening if he doesn't think this offense will look totally different. I don't necessarily mean better (hopefully) or worse but different in style, play calls, timing, volume swings, off schedule, etc.

Is "off schedule" a play design now?

What do you see changing in the proportion of pass/run? Other than changes in first option/route trees? How many times do you see shanny calling run for Trey per game? less than 3 imo.

From Garoppolo to Trey, that's going to be massively different for two reasons:
1. Athletic QB's rely on that instinct far more
2. It'll happen more because he's a rookie and will struggle trusting what he's seeing

Oh, you're talking run/pass ratio. I was merely talking passing plays. Yes, the ratio should be very similar.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nah. our offense won't look radically different with Trey. If we rebuild our playbook to add dozens of RPO options for Trey then Shanny is a fool and deserves to be fired. We did not draft trey lance to be a human punching bag. Our Play book will not change that much but our offense will change in the distribution of route trees that are called. Shanny will start opening up the field with treys arm strength using timing/outs/deep outs. maybe hell design a naked qb boot or two. But I don't see the QB as a run option 7x per game. No way. Trey's not fast enough to be a premier rpo threat (in the pros). And he is way short at protecting himself. Better to develop him as a pocket passer reading the field than turn him into a fullback with an arm.

I do see it totally different. Not to open up Trey dashing down the field play after play. That will be used to get us out of some 3rd down situations. I do still see the run attack in heavy play but now we will see many more down field throws.

We all know Kyle demands blocking in this era but George, in my opinion, the WRs, will not have to be used so much as blocking machines and chance injury. Don't think he will ever not run that style offense but if Trey can get it out and complete passes we won't be so dependent on blocking for a huge run game plan.

Trey should open up a whole new look. How can we call Kyle dumb for this when no one has seen it come to life? I can't wait for a new look offense.

Brodie is in for a rude awakening if he doesn't think this offense will look totally different. I don't necessarily mean better (hopefully) or worse but different in style, play calls, timing, volume swings, off schedule, etc.

Is "off schedule" a play design now?

What do you see changing in the proportion of pass/run? Other than changes in first option/route trees? How many times do you see shanny calling run for Trey per game? less than 3 imo.

From Garoppolo to Trey, that's going to be massively different for two reasons:
1. Athletic QB's rely on that instinct far more
2. It'll happen more because he's a rookie and will struggle trusting what he's seeing

Oh, you're talking run/pass ratio. I was merely talking passing plays. Yes, the ratio should be very similar.

if anything, I see shanny calling more pass plays for lance, because he has a bigger cannon. This will be another way to set up inside zone and power -- by stretching out the back 7 with timing routes out side the hashes.

But I do agree i see a the rookie panicking and bailing a lot more. So that will be a different "look".

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
I won't be surprised if JG comes back

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

My goodness. Probably best to make the playoffs first.

True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

So if we don't trade Jimmy if we win the sb, how do we extend Deebo and Bosa? Do we let one of them walk? It seems more preposterous to let one of them walk then to trade Jimmy after a sb win. Especially after spending 3 first round draft picks on a QB.

R.E.S.T.R.U.C.T.U.R.E

So you think Jimmy will take a paycut after winning a sb?

First of all, we are not winning a super bowl this year guys. Our defense and special teams are too erratic. Sorry to put a damper on things.

BUT if Jimmy gets us out of the first round, maybe the second...?...

If Jimmy throws 1 pick every 3 games between now and playoffs?

1 fumble every five games...?....

Oh yea baby.

He back.

Well obviously it was a hypothetical and the chances of winning the sb this year is slim to none.

I dont think we need to get to the big show to have jimmy come back for 2022. He just has to play low turnover football and make 3rd down throws. That's it.

I just don't see Jimmy coming back. Its more about what's best for Jimmy in Jimmy's mind than it is about what's best for the team. Jimmy gets a new contract with another team. I just cannot see him getting a new contract with the 49ers due to players like Bosa and Deebo in line for new deals.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

I'm pretty sure TRENT DILFER won the Super Bowl and got replaced by our very own ELVIS !!!

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

You cannot invest that much in a kid then have him as the backup.

Yes, you can. Yes, the 49ers have done it before. The 1987 trade for Steve Young cost the 49ers a 2nd and a 4th round pick. That was considered a ransom back in that day.

What happened? Young rode the bench for three seasons. He was thrust into the starting role when Joe Montana got injured.

I don't care how many picks the 49ers gave up for Trey Lance. If Garoppolo wins a Super Bowl, he isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance.

My goodness. Probably best to make the playoffs first.

True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

So if we don't trade Jimmy if we win the sb, how do we extend Deebo and Bosa? Do we let one of them walk? It seems more preposterous to let one of them walk then to trade Jimmy after a sb win. Especially after spending 3 first round draft picks on a QB.

R.E.S.T.R.U.C.T.U.R.E

So you think Jimmy will take a paycut after winning a sb?

First of all, we are not winning a super bowl this year guys. Our defense and special teams are too erratic. Sorry to put a damper on things.

BUT if Jimmy gets us out of the first round, maybe the second...?...

If Jimmy throws 1 pick every 3 games between now and playoffs?

1 fumble every five games...?....

Oh yea baby.

He back.

Well obviously it was a hypothetical and the chances of winning the sb this year is slim to none.

I dont think we need to get to the big show to have jimmy come back for 2022. He just has to play low turnover football and make 3rd down throws. That's it.

I just don't see Jimmy coming back. Its more about what's best for Jimmy in Jimmy's mind than it is about what's best for the team. Jimmy gets a new contract with another team. I just cannot see him getting a new contract with the 49ers due to players like Bosa and Deebo in line for new deals.

Maybe. but I think it's all about how everything plays out.

People trying to sell the "Jimmy is garbage he needs to get tossed good riddance" story just have an agenda with no bearing on reality.

If jimmy plays ok, he gets a chance to do this again in 2022. Period.

I cant believe so many are still chirping away here and in the Jimmy thread. Mods have totally blown this and let these rude, inaccurate arguments go on far far too long which I am sure has discouraged a lot of readers here.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
I won't be surprised if JG comes back

I'd be shocked - this is Trey's team next year.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
I won't be surprised if JG comes back

I'd be shocked - this is Trey's team next year.

I agree there's a good chance that trey will start at some point next year. But, not week 1. So if not Jimmy starting, some one else.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
I won't be surprised if JG comes back

I'd be shocked - this is Trey's team next year.

I agree there's a good chance that trey will start at some point next year. But, not week 1. So if not Jimmy starting, some one else.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
True. You're absolutely, 101-percent correct. My statement was in response to another post that maintained Jimmy G. would get traded away even IF he won the Super Bowl.

That is the most preposterous statement I've ever read. No Super Bowl winning QB gets traded away OR replaced by another QB.

But, you're right, in order for that to happen, the 49ers have to make the playoffs first.

I'm pretty sure TRENT DILFER won the Super Bowl and got replaced by our very own ELVIS !!!

The OP's point is totally valid. There have been 53 super bowls. How many times has this happened? Come on.