Originally posted by NYniner85:
Holy s**t I KNOW THIS! I've said I KNOW THIS since before the season started....so save me the what I fail to grasp crap. Most teams go into the season with SB aspirations...guess what they were WRONG. They thought their overpaid avg QB would mask all the issues we had in the secondary and lacking depth really everywhere. Welp they were wrong. They drafted a bunch of players that they SAID they didn't plan on them being real contributors, I mean seriously? We were counting on often injured players to...waiting for it, not get injured for once. Welp that was wrong too. Overall was I completely wrong in my take before the season started? I don't think I was...look at who are RT, CBs, WRs, and EDGE rushers are right now. That's not a SB squad IMO. What I wanted was Jimmy to take a pay cut to get more cap space because what is currently happening.
ALSO It was NEVER Lance needs to start W1...I read the tea leaves and saw the plan.
I've been talking about the development process in general with a QB and what might be the right way to go about it. THAT HAS BEEN my debate for months.
I'm also saying you got people in here saying red shirt him because of Mahomes. Like that's what will happen in 2022, just because AND that's stupid. You're setting up unrealistic expectations for him by saying that.
You clearly missing the whole point of my debate on this subject and are arguing about something I'm not talking about. I was fine with Jimmy starting, it was a debate on how to develop a QB WHICH are different topics.
But since we're talking about it.... we're 13 weeks into the season and 6-6. Do you think this is a SB roster? Do you think maybe just possibly if Lance got every starting rep from day 1 that he might be more prepared to be the starter vs getting next to nothing for half a yr? Do you think he's magically gonna be ready to roll in 2022 OR are you fully accepting that he will still be a rookie that will make rookie mistakes, especially one that hasn't played meaningful football for over 2 yrs?
Again figure out my point before you reply to it...for the 3,287th time. 
I am in full support of Trey Lance. But I for one was hoping that we drafted Justin Fields. And from the looks of things I think he would have been the better choice. I just didn't think the amount of development Lance would need is way too much to be trading 3 draft picks for. But Lance is our guy and I support him. I'm not too sure about the Mahomes comparison though. Time will tell.
To answer your questions:
Do you think this is a SB roster?
When healthy? Yes. But since when has this team been healthy?
Do you think maybe just possibly if Lance got every starting rep from day 1 that he might be more prepared to be the starter vs getting next to nothing for half a yr?
Yes, he would be. But what would be our record? Like I said, I think Fields would have been a better choice. With this roster and Fields at QB we'd have at least 8 wins at this point. But for a SB-ready team I don't think it would be smart to start a project QB. Lance needs serious time to develop (which is why he should not have been drafted #3 overall). Jimmy G, with all his warts, was the smarter option to start the season.
Now, having said that, I do think that Lance needs more playing time. I think had Jimmy G. been pulled in the 3rd quarter of the Seattle game we might have won the game. But if we lose against Cinci Lance needs to be starting the rest of the season, because I can't see this team making the playoffs if we get one more loss. Either we win out or start the Lance development project in earnest.
Do you think he's magically gonna be ready to roll in 2022 OR are you fully accepting that he will still be a rookie that will make rookie mistakes, especially one that hasn't played meaningful football for over 2 yrs?
He better be ready to start in 2022, otherwise Shanny and Lynch will be in trouble, and rightfully so! To give up 3 1sts for a guy needing more than a year to develop is downright draft mis-management. There's simply no other way to put it. He's gonna make mistakes, there's no way of avoiding that. But you mortgage major draft future to move up to #3 overall for a guy. That alone suggest that he can play day one. But on a SB-ready team with a QB who's gotten you to the SB before the smart move would be to redshirt the rookie unless proven otherwise.
Given what we've given up to get Lance it would be unacceptable if he weren't ready to start in 2022. If that is the case then it was a mistake to draft him at that spot, and Shanny has a lot of explaining to do. But since we drafted him we have to accept what he comes with. We can't wait two seasons until he's "ready", not for what we paid to get him. Shanny will just have to accept that a great deal of on-the-job training will have to take place. He's not gonna be able to ask the fanbase to accept, essentially, a 2 year project at QB that costed 3 firsts.
