Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Like at ANY POSITION, you play the person who gives you the best chance to win. ESPECIALLY at QB.

Jimmy is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Trey. Because Trey did not play a lot of college football.

Kyle and John chose Trey as a LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.

Jimmy is the better QB for the SHORT TERM--meaning THIS YEAR. Who knows, possibly next year, too.

Playing Trey at any point BEFORE being eliminated from the playoffs is GIVING UP ON THE SEASON. Plain and simple.

And if Trey played more and this team was 3-9, people here would be b*tching that Trey was a bust and Jimmy should've played, wah, wah, wah.

GUARANTEED.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hear what you are saying. I just dont agree. Lance's biggest issue is his lack of experience. So redshirting him (which provides him with ZERO experience), and then saying "it would be unacceptable if he isnt ready next year" are contradictory thoughts. I totally understand the reasoning to stick with Jimmy, but doing so doesnt help Lance out in the long run. Playing would have. I personally would have made Lance the starter after the bye, but I know that wasnt realistic for Kyle.

If Lance stinks it up next season, then Kyle should be on the hotseat....I agree. But for me, he would be on the hotseat because he decided to ignore 2021 in the sense of preparing his QBotF to be ready for 2022. If Lance is horrible in 2023, I will be on board with getting rid of Kyle and Lynch.

Thank you!

People don't want him to play because lack of reps, but the only way he's gonna get better is with reps...at some point fans gotta deal with that dilemma in their head and understand there's a process to all of it. Instant gratification can't be a thing here. Sorry fans.

IMO this was the year to do just that...look at all the horrible teams in the NFC. We got a bunch of .500 and sub .500 teams fighting for a playoff spot right now. We could still be in the hunt for a playoff spot AND Lance would be getting those vastly important reps. SF could still be running the ball a ton...probably even more with Lance. NOW we're gonna go into 2022 with a kid that hasn't played legit football in 2 years and spent a whole season on the scout team AND fans will think he's mahomes/Rogers/Brady just cause lol. So dumb

Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Agreed. That's why you don't take a project of this magnitude at 3, and you especially don't trade what we did for the opportunity.
Trey obviously isn't ready and needs experience. That would be fine if he had a few years of college experience but he doesn't. Like you said, 2 games in over 3 years is unacceptable. That's why I thought it was idiotic for a team like the 49ers to do that. We don't have the luxury of throwing a puppy like this on the mix with a competitive roster
No matter how you cut it, it's on Kyle and Lynch.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hear what you are saying. I just dont agree. Lance's biggest issue is his lack of experience. So redshirting him (which provides him with ZERO experience), and then saying "it would be unacceptable if he isnt ready next year" are contradictory thoughts. I totally understand the reasoning to stick with Jimmy, but doing so doesnt help Lance out in the long run. Playing would have. I personally would have made Lance the starter after the bye, but I know that wasnt realistic for Kyle.

If Lance stinks it up next season, then Kyle should be on the hotseat....I agree. But for me, he would be on the hotseat because he decided to ignore 2021 in the sense of preparing his QBotF to be ready for 2022. If Lance is horrible in 2023, I will be on board with getting rid of Kyle and Lynch.

Thank you!

People don't want him to play because lack of reps, but the only way he's gonna get better is with reps...at some point fans gotta deal with that dilemma in their head and understand there's a process to all of it. Instant gratification can't be a thing here. Sorry fans.

IMO this was the year to do just that...look at all the horrible teams in the NFC. We got a bunch of .500 and sub .500 teams fighting for a playoff spot right now. We could still be in the hunt for a playoff spot AND Lance would be getting those vastly important reps. SF could still be running the ball a ton...probably even more with Lance. NOW we're gonna go into 2022 with a kid that hasn't played legit football in 2 years and spent a whole season on the scout team AND fans will think he's mahomes/Rogers/Brady just cause lol. So dumb

Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Lance is 20 years old. He's logged a bunch of minutes in the preason and regular season this year and if you dont think hes getting better as time goes in his current role, yeah dont know what to say..but that id trust the coaches over any of us internet analysts all day and night and then some. Mahomies threw for 284 yds his rookie year and then proceeded to blow the top off the NFL his 2nd year. Not expecting the same stats from Lance obviously but he should be in a much better position as the starter next year. Have patience.

Oh btw..yeah u never know..we could very well see Lance again this season on a full-time basis. *knock on wood*

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It has been five years of this regime with one winning season.

I expect the team to win every year at this point. It is what good teams do five years into a regime.

They aren't going to get a pass for four more years.

100%. Winning seasons vs. losing seasons at this point.

6-6 right now...really hoping this team with its talent can put together some consistent winning football over these last five games.

Lol....you can here the anger in Woo regarding Kyle's regime. He's ready to explode,...but doesn't suggest any coaches that will replace him and be "the one."

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hear what you are saying. I just dont agree. Lance's biggest issue is his lack of experience. So redshirting him (which provides him with ZERO experience), and then saying "it would be unacceptable if he isnt ready next year" are contradictory thoughts. I totally understand the reasoning to stick with Jimmy, but doing so doesnt help Lance out in the long run. Playing would have. I personally would have made Lance the starter after the bye, but I know that wasnt realistic for Kyle.

If Lance stinks it up next season, then Kyle should be on the hotseat....I agree. But for me, he would be on the hotseat because he decided to ignore 2021 in the sense of preparing his QBotF to be ready for 2022. If Lance is horrible in 2023, I will be on board with getting rid of Kyle and Lynch.

Thank you!

People don't want him to play because lack of reps, but the only way he's gonna get better is with reps...at some point fans gotta deal with that dilemma in their head and understand there's a process to all of it. Instant gratification can't be a thing here. Sorry fans.

IMO this was the year to do just that...look at all the horrible teams in the NFC. We got a bunch of .500 and sub .500 teams fighting for a playoff spot right now. We could still be in the hunt for a playoff spot AND Lance would be getting those vastly important reps. SF could still be running the ball a ton...probably even more with Lance. NOW we're gonna go into 2022 with a kid that hasn't played legit football in 2 years and spent a whole season on the scout team AND fans will think he's mahomes/Rogers/Brady just cause lol. So dumb

Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Lance is 20 years old. He's logged a bunch of minutes in the preason and regular season this year and if you dont think hes getting better as time goes in his current role, yeah dont know what to say..but that id trust the coaches over any of us internet analysts all day and night and then some. Mahomies threw for 284 yds his rookie year and then proceeded to blow the top off the NFL his 2nd year. Not expecting the same stats from Lance obviously but he should be in a much better position as the starter next year. Have patience.

Yes but Mahomes also started 2.5 years in college and more than 1 year in high school. Pretty much all consecutively as well.
Labce started like 10 games in high school, redshirted year 1, full season year 2, 1 game year 3 due to covid.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It has been five years of this regime with one winning season.

I expect the team to win every year at this point. It is what good teams do five years into a regime.

They aren't going to get a pass for four more years.

100%. Winning seasons vs. losing seasons at this point.

6-6 right now...really hoping this team with its talent can put together some consistent winning football over these last five games.

Lol....you can here the anger in Woo regarding Kyle's regime. He's ready to explode,...but doesn't suggest any coaches that will replace him and be "the one."

We had a chance to be a consistently "good" team but the 49er dumbs**t brass let Harbaws go.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Considering that we only lost by 1 score, a lot of things cost us the game and Jimmy's awful interceptions and misses certainly didn't help.

That, and playing 3rd string CBs, backup LBs, and missing our co-best offensive weapon (Deebo).

Even more reason for our top end QB to step up and show us why he's a top 5 paid player this yr...no?

I am torn between two ideas on why Lance is not playing, and both may be a part of it.

One, Lance is just not ready yet to take over. It would blunt his confidence to put him into a situation for which he is not ready. None of us really know what Lance looks like in practice sessions so I will go with Kyle's judgment for now - Lance isn't currently capable of doing any better than Jimmy.

Two, given the above reason, Kyle hopes that Jimmy will play well enough to bring a large draft reward in a trade deal.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
We had a chance to be a consistently "good" team but the 49er dumbs**t brass let Harbaws go.

You have a much higher opinion of Harbaugh than I...but that is a discussion for another day.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hear what you are saying. I just dont agree. Lance's biggest issue is his lack of experience. So redshirting him (which provides him with ZERO experience), and then saying "it would be unacceptable if he isnt ready next year" are contradictory thoughts. I totally understand the reasoning to stick with Jimmy, but doing so doesnt help Lance out in the long run. Playing would have. I personally would have made Lance the starter after the bye, but I know that wasnt realistic for Kyle.

If Lance stinks it up next season, then Kyle should be on the hotseat....I agree. But for me, he would be on the hotseat because he decided to ignore 2021 in the sense of preparing his QBotF to be ready for 2022. If Lance is horrible in 2023, I will be on board with getting rid of Kyle and Lynch.

Thank you!

People don't want him to play because lack of reps, but the only way he's gonna get better is with reps...at some point fans gotta deal with that dilemma in their head and understand there's a process to all of it. Instant gratification can't be a thing here. Sorry fans.

IMO this was the year to do just that...look at all the horrible teams in the NFC. We got a bunch of .500 and sub .500 teams fighting for a playoff spot right now. We could still be in the hunt for a playoff spot AND Lance would be getting those vastly important reps. SF could still be running the ball a ton...probably even more with Lance. NOW we're gonna go into 2022 with a kid that hasn't played legit football in 2 years and spent a whole season on the scout team AND fans will think he's mahomes/Rogers/Brady just cause lol. So dumb

Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Lance is 20 years old. He's logged a bunch of minutes in the preason and regular season this year and if you dont think hes getting better as time goes in his current role, yeah dont know what to say..but that id trust the coaches over any of us internet analysts all day and night and then some. Mahomies threw for 284 yds his rookie year and then proceeded to blow the top off the NFL his 2nd year. Not expecting the same stats from Lance obviously but he should be in a much better position as the starter next year. Have patience.

Yes but Mahomes also started 2.5 years in college and more than 1 year in high school. Pretty much all consecutively as well.
Labce started like 10 games in high school, redshirted year 1, full season year 2, 1 game year 3 due to covid.

Okay so then why doesnt it make sense to be careful with our precious investment and bring them along slowly?

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hear what you are saying. I just dont agree. Lance's biggest issue is his lack of experience. So redshirting him (which provides him with ZERO experience), and then saying "it would be unacceptable if he isnt ready next year" are contradictory thoughts. I totally understand the reasoning to stick with Jimmy, but doing so doesnt help Lance out in the long run. Playing would have. I personally would have made Lance the starter after the bye, but I know that wasnt realistic for Kyle.

If Lance stinks it up next season, then Kyle should be on the hotseat....I agree. But for me, he would be on the hotseat because he decided to ignore 2021 in the sense of preparing his QBotF to be ready for 2022. If Lance is horrible in 2023, I will be on board with getting rid of Kyle and Lynch.

Thank you!

People don't want him to play because lack of reps, but the only way he's gonna get better is with reps...at some point fans gotta deal with that dilemma in their head and understand there's a process to all of it. Instant gratification can't be a thing here. Sorry fans.

IMO this was the year to do just that...look at all the horrible teams in the NFC. We got a bunch of .500 and sub .500 teams fighting for a playoff spot right now. We could still be in the hunt for a playoff spot AND Lance would be getting those vastly important reps. SF could still be running the ball a ton...probably even more with Lance. NOW we're gonna go into 2022 with a kid that hasn't played legit football in 2 years and spent a whole season on the scout team AND fans will think he's mahomes/Rogers/Brady just cause lol. So dumb

Assuming next season starts on 9/1/22 (which it probably wont), Lance will have played 2 games in 1,013 days. One thousand and thirteen days. Two games.

I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. I will never claim to know more about football than Kyle Shanahan, but I will question how anyone could logically get better at anything if they have done it twice in roughly 3 calendar years.

Agreed. That's why you don't take a project of this magnitude at 3, and you especially don't trade what we did for the opportunity.
Trey obviously isn't ready and needs experience. That would be fine if he had a few years of college experience but he doesn't. Like you said, 2 games in over 3 years is unacceptable. That's why I thought it was idiotic for a team like the 49ers to do that. We don't have the luxury of throwing a puppy like this on the mix with a competitive roster
No matter how you cut it, it's on Kyle and Lynch.

That's BS. You can still take him at 3, even if he's a project, but only if you have a plan for him. At first it seemed like Kyle did have a plan, but now not so much. A good deal of his appeal was also that he would be on a rookie deal, freeing up $ to go elsewhere, but now 1 year of that is gone.

Like at ANY POSITION, you play the person who gives you the best chance to win. ESPECIALLY at QB.

Jimmy is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Trey. Because Trey did not play a lot of college football.

Kyle and John chose Trey as a LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.

Jimmy is the better QB for the SHORT TERM--meaning THIS YEAR. Who knows, possibly next year, too.

Playing Trey at any point BEFORE being eliminated from the playoffs is GIVING UP ON THE SEASON. Plain and simple.

And if Trey played more and this team was 3-9, people here would be b*tching that Trey was a bust and Jimmy should've played, wah, wah, wah.

GUARANTEED.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not comparing him to Mahomes...some people in here are when it comes to sitting for a year then coming into the league and lighting it up the following year. I'm saying that's a unfair expectation on Lance. Mahomes is a special talent what he did isn't normal.

I also wanted Fields, but had no issue with going Lance. We have no idea how much development he needs to determine anything at this point.

Yeah I never thought a 6 win team was a SB roster...the only position they upgraded at was center in the off season. This wasn't a run it back squad IMO now you can see what we're dealing with

Who knows what our record would be...6-6 isn't great right now regardless. Lance can hand the ball off 40x a game all the same. Saying Lance needs "serious" development is a subjective take...you or I don't really know that. IMO What he really needs is to play.

He he's gonna start...that's not the debate. People seem to think he's gonna be some all-star for the simple fact that he played scout QB all yr....Developing IS PLAYING he's not doing that...so 2022 is basically his rookie developmental year, regardless of what anyone is trying to say.

Well you're gonna have to accept that a rookie QB is gonna take time...at this point draft picks and what they spent mean nothing. Those picks could turn into another Solomon Thomas, it's all about getting it right with Lance end of the day. Once he actually get's on the field it might take more than 2022 to get that s**t figured out in part because he basically lost a season in 2021 because Kyle thought he could win a SB with Jimmy.

People wanted to forgo a season to develop Lance to try and win it all with Jimmy...doesn't look like that's gonna happen SO now you gotta deal with the process of getting Lance where he needs to be...fans can't have your cake and eat it too

Many people, myself included, had this team not only in the playoffs, but pushing for a SB spot. Very few people saw this at only 6 wins at this point. I had this team losing 3, 4 games tops. By most assessments this is a disappointing season for the 49ers. I think that was Shanny & Co. thinking as well going into the season as well. So I can totally understand why they went with redshirting Lance. Besides, it was roundly felt that Lance would, in fact, need a season to develop. I agreed with that assessment.

Now, I'd be the first to say I was totally wrong with my expectations. Hindsight is 20-20. I admit, had I known then that we'd be 6-6 at this point I'd say start Lance out the gate. Starting Lance would have been no worse. At the beginning of the season I legitimately thought (like many) that this was a SB-ready team. So why start a rookie on a SB-ready team? Rookie starting QB's don't win SB's. That's what my thinking was, and remains should we make the playoffs.

Now, if we lose this week I say officially start the Lance era.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
We had a chance to be a consistently "good" team but the 49er dumbs**t brass let Harbaws go.

Why didn't Harbaugh sign the extension that was being offered to him?

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
Like at ANY POSITION, you play the person who gives you the best chance to win. ESPECIALLY at QB.

Jimmy is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Trey. Because Trey did not play a lot of college football.

Kyle and John chose Trey as a LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.

Jimmy is the better QB for the SHORT TERM--meaning THIS YEAR. Who knows, possibly next year, too.

Playing Trey at any point BEFORE being eliminated from the playoffs is GIVING UP ON THE SEASON. Plain and simple.

And if Trey played more and this team was 3-9, people here would be b*tching that Trey was a bust and Jimmy should've played, wah, wah, wah.

GUARANTEED.

Yet we gave up, what 3 first rounders for him?….

brutal