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Originally posted by Giedi:
Trey had to play vs AZ because of Jimmy's injury, not because preserving Trey's confidence wasn't important.

As for the offensive penalties, Jimmy has to deal with that too, but can overcome them. Trey's not at that level yet.

Trey isn't at the point in Kyle's offense where he can go through his progressions as fast as Jimmy. He is simply too slow at this point because he's not had the reps yet (ie. the AZ game was 5th game of the season, and he was basically the scout team QB prior to that.)

What I do see is a very promising Talent. Rocket arm, mobility, good mind and he does want to throw more than run. It's the 6 inches between his ears that's the unknown. But from what I saw, on some plays, he read to his 2nd and 3rd progressions, and he threw some darts between defenders that I don't think Jimmy could even dare to do. He threw some long balls that - if he had more reps with his WR's - those would have been possible completions. But can he do what Jimmy can do in the fourth QTR behind with the game on the line? That's still to be decided. I'm trusting Kyle on that one.

Wait a minute. I was told Kyle's pass game was a 1st read or checkdown offense. Everyone else was a decoy or clearing route and aren't allowed to be thrown to. So, what progressions do you speak of?
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:

I remember first reading about the VR back with BeatHard. Hopefully it's improved greatly since then.

That's a very unique technology. I can see how it would speed up Treys learning.

This reminds me of rocky iv

Dragos technology couldn't defeat rockys heart and old school training.

Vr training won't help you when aaron donald is about to kill you.

Agree -- it's Instincts vs training. You can't coach the kind of 6th sense instincts that Joe had. Same with Haley, he just knew when you were play faking and sack the QB, and he would know that the next play would be a screen and intercept the ball. Instincts. We'll see what kind of Instincts Trey will have, once he's QB 1.

The only thing I got from the AZ game was that this kid has all the physical and mental talents to operate - and a good level - Kyles offense. The jury is out on how great he can elevate his game and Kyles offense, and how good his QB instincts are.

Ignore all the anecdotal crap from people unfamiliar with the tech.

Reps on the field are a limited resource. You need 22 players etc.

The VR tech lets a backup see the same exact stuff the starter sees. The VR aspect lets the user look around with full immersion. It is basically a super version of all 22 replays.

Backups get to see the plays and how real life players reacted. the tighter windows on defense bc starters instead of scout team etc.

The tech came from Stanford and has had decent media coverage.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/09/09/virtual-reality-for-qbs-stanford-football-at-the-forefront/

It isnt a gimmick. Tom Brady praised it last year when he used it for first time

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-brady-falling-love-bucs-virtual-reality-system-get-extra-reps
Originally posted by 49erminion:
You cannot compare the offensive skill players that Herbert and Burrow had the luxury of working with their rookie years vs. what Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have going for them now. With all this said Herbert and Burrow are without question, special talents.

this throw is stupid..Herbert is a stud.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We were 2-3 with the Trey package and 5-3 without it. Glad we moved on. Hard to play QB when the first drive of the season you get tapped on the shoulder and yanked from the game.

Trey will have many years of time. This idea that game action is much different from what he's doing now. He's going against NFL players every day. The learning has to be off the charts. Even if he went in with a big lead what exactly would he be doing aside from handing off? Are you saying we're gonna be chucking deep with a big lead just to kick the tires on Trey?

Trey is the scout QB who's pretending to be a different QB every week...he's not running SF's play book. As the scout QB he's told where to throw the ball based on film of what the upcoming QB would do vs a certain coverage...so he's not even getting to read coverages or make a throw that HE WOULD MAKE right now. His job is to make the defense better, not really make himself better as far as being a scout QB goes. Everything is scripted and it's not live.

So the idea that he's going against NFL players every day in a legit football settings is a load of crap. This isn't pickup basketball or legit 11 on 11 during the week.

What he's saying is there shouldn't be an issue letting Lance play if SF is up 20+ pts with like 3mins left in a game. Every rep in LIVE game speed games is valuable. At this point if SF wants to throw a defense a different look toss him in for a couple plays a game, if anything it forces teams to have to spend time game planning on it during the week.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:

I've thought alot about this lately regarding Lance and the technology that is now out there.

Glad to hear our ownership confirming that we're putting it to good use.

For as much as some say him sitting is hurting him, I think things like this are intrical to his development. This has been discussed nonstop but watch guys like Fields, Wilson, and Lawrence and I don't see them really developing. There was never any need to rush this 21 year old kid.

They're all on really bad teams though, we have the infrastructure to have made this work.

I don't think it will hurt Trey at all, but I really doubt that it's helped him that much.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I remember first reading about the VR back with BeatHard. Hopefully it's improved greatly since then.

I tried some metaverse goggles, and it's pretty f**king scary how good it's gotten in just a few years. I can't imagine what it'll be like in 10 years.

I feel bad for future generations. They're going to be like the fat f**ks in the movie Wall-E floating around in their space chairs drinking Slurpees.


LMAO. The way the NFL is going soon live QB's will be taking snaps from a chair and "throwing" from their VR goggles.
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
For as much as some say him sitting is hurting him, I think things like this are intrical to his development. This has been discussed nonstop but watch guys like Fields, Wilson, and Lawrence and I don't see them really developing. There was never any need to rush this 21 year old kid.

Fields has absolutely developed since his first game....talent and coaching matter more than anything when it comes to a rookie QB. Lawrence is literally a generational talent BUT he's got one of the worst rosters and coaching staffs in football. Wilson is in just as bad of a situation, toss Mac Jones in NJ or on the Jags an I'll bet money people aren't kissing his butt like they are.

All these QBs are learning from playing....can their teams help them out and not force them to take on more than they should right now? That's the problem.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Never listen to what a coach says in front of media as truth. Coaches never reveal truth to media. Fact is if Trey is a better option what tin foil hat reason do you have to dream up to explain why he wouldn't be starting? KS wants to win games right? If Trey is better he's gonna be in there, period.

Lol... I guess by default Jimmy is better then.

You clearly are a short-sighted observer.
In 2018 he sat the entire year took a redshirt. They had a senior QB who he probably wasn't going to beat out anyway and ended up an NFL Draft pick Easton Stick. 2021 is the NFL version of his 2018 in college. He came out guns ablazing in 2019.
Seeing some of these mock drafts, like a few predicted, Trey would have probably been the #1 pick in this upcoming draft. Some don't even have any QBs going top 10.

I'm sure the Lions would have took Trey #1.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Seeing some of these mock drafts, like a few predicted, Trey would have probably been the #1 pick in this upcoming draft. Some don't even have any QBs going top 10.

I'm sure the Lions would have took Trey #1.

Too early imo to really know for sure. From the time the last college games are played to the time of the actual draft the landscape shifts so much. Did anyone have remotely the kinda grade on Zach Wilson that he finished with? IIRC his pro day and some throws floored people he rocketed up at that point.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erminion:
You cannot compare the offensive skill players that Herbert and Burrow had the luxury of working with their rookie years vs. what Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have going for them now. With all this said Herbert and Burrow are without question, special talents.

this throw is stupid..Herbert is a stud.


Jimmy had the same throw against the Bengals, but Benjamin dropped it.

Granted, Jimmy's throw took almost a full second longer to get there.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erminion:
You cannot compare the offensive skill players that Herbert and Burrow had the luxury of working with their rookie years vs. what Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have going for them now. With all this said Herbert and Burrow are without question, special talents.

this throw is stupid..Herbert is a stud.


Jimmy had the same throw against the Bengals, but Benjamin dropped it.

Granted, Jimmy's throw took almost a full second longer to get there.

You're comparing Herbert and JG's deep ball
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erminion:
You cannot compare the offensive skill players that Herbert and Burrow had the luxury of working with their rookie years vs. what Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have going for them now. With all this said Herbert and Burrow are without question, special talents.

this throw is stupid..Herbert is a stud.


Jimmy had the same throw against the Bengals, but Benjamin dropped it.

Granted, Jimmy's throw took almost a full second longer to get there.

You're comparing Herbert and JG's deep ball

Should we not? They're both NFL QBs and both should be held to the same standards.

Obviously Herbert's throw was a lot more difficult, but they both traveled about the same distance in the air, so it's interesting to see the difference in hang time.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Dec 14, 2021 at 2:11 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erminion:
You cannot compare the offensive skill players that Herbert and Burrow had the luxury of working with their rookie years vs. what Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have going for them now. With all this said Herbert and Burrow are without question, special talents.

this throw is stupid..Herbert is a stud.


Jimmy had the same throw against the Bengals, but Benjamin dropped it.

Granted, Jimmy's throw took almost a full second longer to get there.

You're comparing Herbert and JG's deep ball

Should we not? They're both NFL QBs and both should be held to the same standards.

Beautiful throw.

But one is throwing on the run with full momentum to launch it and the other, inside a pocket he couldn't fully step up in...and Travis Benjamin. So there's that. Haha
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