Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
"And if [Lance isn't the starter], it doesn't really mean anything," McDaniel added. "He's going to keep working, and I have no doubt that the picture and the product that I was around was not the final product. For me to say he's going to be X, Y, or Z would be uninformed, and that's not why you had me on the show, I think."

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Why take stuff out of context like that The hate for Lance with some of you is ridiculous

My time with him, it was exciting," McDaniel said. "My time with him, you talk about a dude that was willing and able and wanting to be great, that he himself knew there was a lot of stuff to work on. … You've got to remember, these draft picks coming out, especially the ones that most of the season gets canceled, you're just preparing for a pro day, nonstop, for a calendar year."

I'm not sure, my time in San Francisco, I wouldn't even know what to say in terms of that judgment of it. He started football games and won football games last year, so if the 49ers choose to have him as their starting quarterback, I'm confident that's with good reason, knowing Kyle and John Lynch

The other response was just talking about both scenarios.

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that's nopt my frowny face. I'm ok with the quote. it's common sense no hate.

You've questioned this trade hundreds of times already and constantly take little passive aggressive shots at Lance (like your previous post) or just straight up hate on him. Why even lie about this.

Brainiac, Ive always said if trey turns into fqb in 4 years, no one will care about 3 mid first round picks. bupkus.

I like lance. Saying he may not be ready in 2022 is not passive aggressive anything. still think another year of jimmy is the best option for us winning in 2022. But if lance proves me wrong, I won't complain. The best qb room for this team is lance and jimmy, whether #1,#2 or #2,#1.

If jimmy didn't go through hell last year UNPROFESSIONALLY i bet he would restructure for like 15m, then trade in 2023.

But he did.

Unprofessionally?

He was treated with a lot of respect by the entire organization. What are you talking about...

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NDSU:
You ever play a team sport?

whats a sport?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
"And if [Lance isn't the starter], it doesn't really mean anything," McDaniel added. "He's going to keep working, and I have no doubt that the picture and the product that I was around was not the final product. For me to say he's going to be X, Y, or Z would be uninformed, and that's not why you had me on the show, I think."

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Why take stuff out of context like that The hate for Lance with some of you is ridiculous

My time with him, it was exciting," McDaniel said. "My time with him, you talk about a dude that was willing and able and wanting to be great, that he himself knew there was a lot of stuff to work on. … You've got to remember, these draft picks coming out, especially the ones that most of the season gets canceled, you're just preparing for a pro day, nonstop, for a calendar year."

I'm not sure, my time in San Francisco, I wouldn't even know what to say in terms of that judgment of it. He started football games and won football games last year, so if the 49ers choose to have him as their starting quarterback, I'm confident that's with good reason, knowing Kyle and John Lynch

The other response was just talking about both scenarios.

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that's nopt my frowny face. I'm ok with the quote. it's common sense no hate.

You've questioned this trade hundreds of times already and constantly take little passive aggressive shots at Lance (like your previous post) or just straight up hate on him. Why even lie about this.

Brainiac, Ive always said if trey turns into fqb in 4 years, no one will care about 3 mid first round picks. bupkus.

I like lance. Saying he may not be ready in 2022 is not passive aggressive anything. still think another year of jimmy is the best option for us winning in 2022. But if lance proves me wrong, I won't complain. The best qb room for this team is lance and jimmy, whether #1,#2 or #2,#1.

If jimmy didn't go through hell last year UNPROFESSIONALLY i bet he would restructure for like 15m, then trade in 2023.

But he did.

Unprofessionally?

He was treated with a lot of respect by the entire organization. What are you talking about...

Poor Jimmy he never got asked to take a pay cut once. Regardless of play or injury. He got paid $100M after 5 starts. He never had any legit competition….not even after the team gave up yrs of 1st rd picks. There was never a QB competition this yr. Lance wasn't even given 1st team reps to have a shot. But yeah how unprofessional of SF….they should have never thought of the future. They should have road out Jimmy and then drafted a rookie to play from day 1 because that would be the "nice" thing to do….who gives a s**t about what's best for the team. It should be able about Jimmy.

Originally posted by genus49:
Guaranteed once Jimmy is traded(and assuming 49ers aren't looking to bring in Brady) the narrative will QUICKLY change about how good Lance looked/looks.

Originally posted by NDSU:
One way or another this thread should be hilarious by week 5 of the 2022 season. Much crow will be consumed.
But who will be sitting at the table with heaping plates?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We really have the best QB situation in the league

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We really have the best QB situation in the league

Surely you jest
Niners qb group isntt top 10 and surely won't be after their beat one gets traded.
KC
Buf
Cincy
LaC
Sea
LaR
NE
Dal
Jac
NyJ
Ari
Bal
GB
off the top of my head. Probably missing some obvious ones as well

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
There is no similarity between Lance and Mahomes. Absolutely none.

Because you said so lol? Oh okay.

Lol you know he's a troll, why do you still entertain him?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Lol. Lance guys also point to Stafford as the guy who took the rams over the top and that a franchise qb is necessary to win the superbowl. Stop with the conflicting arguments.

You do however need a QB that can elevate his game to beat playoff level defensive scheming. Playoff defenses will expose lesser QBs more times than not. You can be good but come playoffs you need to be elite and timely for three or four games

Heres the problem I have with any argument that wins are not a qb stat.

You take Aaron Rodgers, put him on the Giants, they're winning at least 11 games, probably more. You cant say that with any other position. That's why wins are a qb stat.

For Rodgers yes cuz he is elite.

Jimmy is not and the defense and run game carried his ass much of his time here.

Put Jimmy on the Giants and they win 6 games or less.

You take Aaron Donald and put him on the jaguars and they're still 2 and 15. A qb wins and loses games. No other position does that. That's why wins should be tied to the qb.

Then so should losses, and therefore Jimmy is a choke artist, Super Bowl LOSER and always will be. Because he's never getting back there again. No one will ever match his 2.8 4th quarter passer rating when it mattered most. If this is true, all the Jimmy love should have ended in 2019. But it didn't, because you don't really believe what you're saying. You're only saying it because it's the one and only statistical measure where Jimmy stands tall (you know that YPA doesn't matter when the WR is leading the NFL in YAC every season, so you have to hang your head on this one).

Of course, that win% has steadily dropped. He started out an incredible 21-5 (.807) for the first half of his career starts. Then, the next half, he dropped to 15-11 (.577). More than twice as many losses. You think that win percentage is going to climb back up again when he's on an inferior team?

Super Bowl loser? I guess Nick Bosa is too. And Shanny. And Tom Brady he's a multiple time Super Bowl LOSER. Mahomes throw him in there. You saying JG will never get back there again? How would you know? Plus would that prove anything? Marino never got back their either he was and is arguably the goat.

We've already seen JG on a team going nowhere fast I believe that team was 1-10 JG went undefeated. Everyone agrees JG is a solid oft injured QB who won a lot of games for our club when healthy. No need to label anyone a "choke artist". I mean no one applies that to Bosa or Kittle who were out there in the same SB defeat. I think you are inadvertently making the point you are arguing against. The whole point is QBs take an oversized share of the winning and losing. Just the nature of the position. And yes they are more important than other positions. It's the most important position in sports imo.

Great points!

Missing the point isn't making a great point. It's missing the point.

I think he made a great point. I think Jimmy handled the QB controversy between him and Trey masterfully, and not let it affect team chemistry. I think he gutted it out though some pretty painful injuries and didn't tank versus guys like Midget Murrey gets a litttle heat, the guy melts into a puddle of goo. He lead the team to the NFC championship game despite all the media harping the issues surrounding the three picks given up for Trey. He kept playing football when he could have easily been resentful and spilt the locker room. Jimmy may not have Treys rocket arm but he did play a big part in the 49ers getting into the NFC championship. To say he didn't is to be a Jimmy hater, in my opinion.

Okay so did you read the post he responded to? The point is that it is inaccurate to give a QB all the credit for a win OR all the blame for a loss in almost every case.

I read the post. It basically said wins and losses are directly related to how good your QB is.

No. The implication they made is that they are so uniquely tied to your QB that it's a unique QB stat. That's false. QBs are maybe 40% of wins and losses most of the time at best, sometimes more, sometimes less. And THAT is the rub! — The amount that the QB contributes to a win or loss generally fluctuates tremendously! That's why it's not a useful QB stat in and of itself without context. You can use it when you can isolate variables, and you won't drift too far into logical error. For example, when you are comparing two QBs on the same team. In that case, it's an accurate measure of the RELATIVE difference between the two QBs. RELATIVE is the operative word here. Why? Because all that tells you when the team loses with one QB and wins with another is that the latter QB is better than the former. It tells you nothing about the latter QB in relation to the rest of the QBs in the league! And that's the mistake you people are making. You're taking a measurement that is only valid within certain parameters, and you're blowing it right out of the gates and generalizing it. This is a logical error.

If you can't hold most of these variables constant or control them, you cannot use wins and losses to tell how good a QB is in relation to QBs not placed in the same situation, because a QB is not SOLELY or even more than 50% responsible for wins or losses most of the time (no QB can throw without a WR catching it; no QB can throw without the minimum physical time required for a WR to run a route and a QB to throw the ball; etc).

In conclusion: the only thing at this point that can be concluded with certainty from Jimmy's win/loss record is that he's a good deal better than C.J. Beathard, Nick Mullens, and Brian Hoyer. It tells you nothing about whether or not he is, to pound the same tired example, any better at all than Stafford. Because they were in entirely different circumstances.

Hence why it's simply a bad idea to use as a QB stat.

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And as for the "intended air yards per attempt" debates, it's the same reason, except IAYPA falls on the other side of the issue. IAYPA is a statistic that CLEARLY is mostly about the quarterback. No WR is magically pulling along a pass as it travels through the air. This isn't Madden. That ball travels ONLY because the QB threw it. While there are some factors that affect if the QB can throw it, there are far FAR fewer factors going into to this stat outside of the QB than there is with wins and losses.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We really have the best QB situation in the league

Surely you jest
Niners qb group isntt top 10 and surely won't be after their beat one gets traded.
KC
Buf
Cincy
LaC
Sea
LaR
NE
Dal
Jac
NyJ
Ari
Bal
GB
off the top of my head. Probably missing some obvious ones as well

Tom Brady doesn't play for NE anymore.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Surely you jest
Niners qb group isntt top 10 and surely won't be after their beat one gets traded.
KC
Buf
Cincy
LaC
Sea
LaR
NE
Dal
Jac
NyJ
Ari
Bal
GB
off the top of my head. Probably missing some obvious ones as well