Originally posted by NDSU:
Your "win now" squad with Jimmy failed. So you want to stick with that. Got it.
D2 again, what a maroon.
Getting to the NFC championship game with one healthy non throwing arm is a highly successful season. Anyone who says different is a clown. The plan is working. Now time to trade Jimmy and get Trey going. Trey is ready to start his nfl career. There will be bumps, bruises, good, and bad but in the end he will successful. He's got every tool physically and mentally that is needed and an absolute phenomenal situation to grow in. Go 9ers!
NFL teams have only one goal. To win the Super Bowl. Lesser teams/fans think winning a division or getting to a Super Bowl is success.
You are the later.
If you're gonna listen to anybody about evaluating a QB Greg Cosell is the guy. He knows more about analyzing a quarterback's play & skillset than a hundred of the other NFL talking heads combined.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's not ready as of right now. Everyone knows it. Even Joe Montana.
How does Joe know if he's ready or not? He hasn't been to a Niners practice or seen him throw. Going by others opinions is not going to cut it.
How does Joe Montana know what a great QB looks like?
How does Joe Montana know what Trey Lance looks like when he's not seen any of his practices?
Here's another point. Joe was a great QB as far as Niner fans are concerned probably the best ever, but being a great QB doesn't necessarily make you a great QB evaluator. If that were the case why couldn't Elway ever identify a great QB for Denver?
Originally posted by ninerjok:
If you're gonna listen to anybody about evaluating a QB Greg Cosell is the guy. He knows more about analyzing a quarterback's play & skillset than a hundred of the other NFL talking heads combined.
Agreed. He knows his stuff and his opinions always seem to be fair and balanced.
I'm watching the Houston game right now (nfl game pass). I'm into the fourth quarter and it's making me nervous about next year. People saying he's already better than Jimmy aren't watching the games. I'm not saying Trey will bust, I'm saying it may not be as awesome as we all hope next year.
Yall need to watch this. Lance hits every point that he says matters to him now.
"Good physical tools + modern offensive coach + even a modicum of support structure around it = success"
For me it's this:
Good physical tools + processing/speed from "see it" to "throw it" + coachability + situation (I know, four things, not three... ugh).
I feel like if you have an A+ in three of those four, you'll have a successful NFL career. If you have an A+ in all four, you'll be a star. Jones (as a means to contrast) I think has an A+ in all but the first one. Trey, however, surpasses Jones in total. I never thought Trey was a slow processor, in terms of understanding what the defense is doing, but I was uneasy prior to the draft about the time it takes for him to clearly be looking at the target to when he threw it. On watching more of him, I discovered some of this depended on his line of sight, as if he was nervous about throwing over a defender. But if that was the case, it's fixed in the NFL. As for the other bit, he was never slow at going from "set" to "throw," but he wasn't terribly fast in college at it. He was no Mahomes when it comes to that. Not even a Jimmy (but to be fair, in hindsight, Jimmy isn't truly fast at it either; he's just predetermining where he's going with the ball and/or only looking at the WR, which is why he throws picks directly to defenders). But, it was clear from his college tape that he could get the total time of that process down pretty well by correcting other things, like streamlining his mechanics.
I don't think Trey will ever be elite at the speed going from seeing where he wants to throw it to actually making the throw, but he'll be good enough, and combined with his other tools, his potential is sky high.
Physical tools: A+
Processing: B*; Speed from "see it" to "throw it": B-
Coachability: A++
Situation: A+
I mean it looks pretty good to me.
*Relative to a rookie QB about to go into his second off-season.
Originally posted by Jason:
I'm watching the Houston game right now (nfl game pass). I'm into the fourth quarter and it's making me nervous about next year. People saying he's already better than Jimmy aren't watching the games. I'm not saying Trey will bust, I'm saying it may not be as awesome as we all hope next year.
Wait until the fourth quarter is over, then tell us what you think.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Feb 27, 2022 at 12:49 PM ]
Originally posted by Jason:
I'm watching the Houston game right now (nfl game pass). I'm into the fourth quarter and it's making me nervous about next year. People saying he's already better than Jimmy aren't watching the games. I'm not saying Trey will bust, I'm saying it may not be as awesome as we all hope next year.
How awesome are people hoping it will be? Most are being realistic in that he's going to have rookie ups and downs but needs to actually play to get better.
IMO our ceiling isn't higher with Trey than Jimmy in year one, but he needs to get through year one to reach that higher ceiling and there's no point delaying year one for a guy who is already at his ceiling.
Trey improved from preseason to start one and then again from start one to start two. I believe he'll make another jump and come into week one having improved again.
Year one he just needs to play his role in what will be a near identical team built around the run and D.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wait until the fourth quarter is over, then tell us what you think.
I just saw the Deebo TD. Trey has a cannon. The problem I had with that play was that the coverage was busted and Deebo flattened the rout towards the sideline (which certainly helped). While I don't think Jimmy makes that play, he does make the routine plays quite a bit more and the ball comes out much faster. I'll keep watching
I expect Trey to struggle year one as a stater honestly. There are going to be some games that make us question his ability in the NFL. He's going to need some patience and I sincerely hope people afford him that patience. I for one would rather see a young QB struggle and miss a wide-open WR than a seasoned vet in the same scenario, for example.
Originally posted by WINiner:
I expect Trey to struggle year one as a stater honestly. There are going to be some games that make us question his ability in the NFL. He's going to need some patience and I sincerely hope people afford him that patience. I for one would rather see a young QB struggle and miss a wide-open WR than a seasoned vet in the same scenario, for example.
I agree with your assessment based on what I'm seeing. I believe he will struggle, at least the first half of the season. Our fans are pretty quick to turn on a player so I'm with you on the need for patience. If we miss the playoffs the people on the board won't be happy with him (even if it isn't his fault). If Brady is available (he's not) and it wouldn't screw up our cap (it would) I'd go that way. Trey is a superior athlete in this game but calling him one of the best 32
QBs in the league is foolish in my opinion
Originally posted by Jason:
I'm watching the Houston game right now (nfl game pass). I'm into the fourth quarter and it's making me nervous about next year. People saying he's already better than Jimmy aren't watching the games. I'm not saying Trey will bust, I'm saying it may not be as awesome as we all hope next year.
Dude he didn't play football in 2020, he got no legit snaps for like 6+ months before getting tossed into two games with a weeks worth of 1st string reps.
He's a rookie QB. I feel like people in here have never experienced drafting a high end rookie QB and dealt with the process of all it.
FWIW outside of a couple posters, I don't think people think it's gonna be some magical Mahomes 50 TD season next yr from Lance. I expect him to improve as the season goes. I expect this team to play top end defense and run the hell out of the ball.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wait until the fourth quarter is over, then tell us what you think.
I just saw the Deebo TD. Trey has a cannon. The problem I had with that play was that the coverage was busted and Deebo flattened the rout towards the sideline (which certainly helped). While I don't think Jimmy makes that play, he does make the routine plays quite a bit more and the ball comes out much faster. I'll keep watching
Balls most certainly doesn't come out faster on deep routes with JG. if anything he's allergic from even attempting that pass. Jimmy would have taken the check down in that play.
Originally posted by JaggedJ:
How awesome are people hoping it will be? Most are being realistic in that he's going to have rookie ups and downs but needs to actually play to get better.
IMO our ceiling isn't higher with Trey than Jimmy in year one, but he needs to get through year one to reach that higher ceiling and there's no point delaying year one for a guy who is already at his ceiling.
Trey improved from preseason to start one and then again from start one to start two. I believe he'll make another jump and come into week one having improved again.
Year one he just needs to play his role in what will be a near identical team built around the run and D.
This. Not sure what everyone expects from Lance YR1. He needs to play football and rep out all the bad s**t…could have happened this yr but we went a different route, which is fine.
we will win games based on D and running the ball, which is pretty similar to how we've done it with Jimmy. Lance just needs to complete those 3rd down plays, throw the ball at the same (hopefully less) INT% that Jimmy had…and toss in some explosive plays that we lacked for yrs.
it's gonna be all about taking the good with the bad & seeing development as the yr goes on. s**ts not gonna happen over night with him. People saying sitting on the bench for a yr will magically make him good, needs to be realistic with the situation imo.