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Mar 2, 2022 at 10:10 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
JG was ps2 Trey is ps5

So Jimmy is arguably the greatest of all time, while Trey is a powerful yet empty shell?
[ Edited by Aj_hwd954 on Mar 2, 2022 at 10:11 AM ]
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:24 AM
It's funny to hear people talk about how Trey can look really good and make some spectacular throws and then uncork a wild one that leaves them scratching their head. We've been doing that with Jimmy ever since he got here. The difference is he's more experienced and shouldn't be making the wild throws. He also doesn't make many spectacular throws.

I don't know how good Trey will be after he gets some experience but I'll be surprised if he isn't better than Jimmy. Maybe not as accurate but certainly able to make the big play better.
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
JG was ps2 Trey is ps5

So Jimmy is arguably the greatest of all time, while Trey is a powerful yet empty shell?

Yup. Overpriced and can't play anything today.
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Jason:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wait until the fourth quarter is over, then tell us what you think.

I just saw the Deebo TD. Trey has a cannon. The problem I had with that play was that the coverage was busted and Deebo flattened the rout towards the sideline (which certainly helped). While I don't think Jimmy makes that play, he does make the routine plays quite a bit more and the ball comes out much faster. I'll keep watching

Deebo was led that way, which if on purpose by Trey was elite quarterbacking, and if not on purpose was good fortune. Had that ball not been thrown there forcing the "flattening" of his route, the DB behind him would have been in position to turn that into a 50/50 ball. And it's clear from the All 22 that it was the trajectory of the ball that led Deebo there. In other words, he was thrown open.
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:48 AM
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle was afraid to play Trey last year cause they would always have big leads going into the 4th quarter and he didn't want to blow the them.


Mar 2, 2022 at 10:50 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Jason:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wait until the fourth quarter is over, then tell us what you think.

I just saw the Deebo TD. Trey has a cannon. The problem I had with that play was that the coverage was busted and Deebo flattened the rout towards the sideline (which certainly helped). While I don't think Jimmy makes that play, he does make the routine plays quite a bit more and the ball comes out much faster. I'll keep watching

So you don't think the fact that Trey who was 21 and making his 3rd start in like 2 years being on the same page with Deebo in reading wht was happening and getting the ball where Deebo could keep running is a good thing?

Personally I thought Trey's best throw in that game was one Aiyuk couldn't bring in towards the end of the half. I believe the DB was holding Aiyuk's arm so he couldn't get both hands on the ball to come down with it. Should've been a PI or TD if Aiyuk isn't interfered with imo.

Deebo was thrown open. Unless Trey just got lucky and threw it where it NEEDED to go.

Had that ball trajectory not flattened Deebo's route, it would have been a 50/50 ball. In other words, THE PASS WAS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!!!!~!!!!!!

Now, as someone who tries to remain rational and unbiased, I concede that it may have been accidentally perfect.
Mar 2, 2022 at 10:53 AM
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Lance would easily have been the 1st overall pick in this draft. So many QB needy teams, and an otherwise crap QB class this year.

That's an opinion many have. However, I believe he would've fallen off hard with more exposure.
I think he is one of the most fortunate athletes in the last few years he didn't have a season to play in 20.
This guy was the 3rd overall pick after starting two years his whole life at qb in his life.

lol. Why are you still here? You're obviously not a 49ers fan.

The irony of you crapping on Trey Lance, but then swearing allegiance to Andy Dalton 2.0.

Allegiance to Mac Jones? Nah. Just 100% opposed to trading what they did for Lance. Mac is better now than Trey will ever be though. So there's that.
And to the guys mocking the comment about "starting two years at qb in his whole life" comment, Im not sure you understand. Not just his senior year in high school and 1 year in sub division cfb….he did t play qb in youth league, junior high, JV, etc. he has a fraction of the reps that pretty much every qb in history has coming into the league. That's why it was absolutely befuddling that a team who was two or three players away from Super Bowls in 3 years, traded assets and passed up getting help now traded for him.
Honestly, I think the Niners would've won the super bowl this year if they stayed out and drafted help on the o line in round one. The deal was so egregious I barely care now.



Oh my god you realized what you've done? You've almost guaranteed yourself to be EMBARRASSED!

Already last year it could be argued by the end of the year that Trey was the better QB of the two. The numbers certainly indicate that. Even if not, he's not far behind. All Trey has to be to make you look like a complete fool is marginally improve.

And then it will be relentless mocking. I swear, if Trey ends up in the Pro Bowl in the next few years, or even merely as an alternate like Jones this year,I will re-post this every time I see a comment from you. It will be so much fun.
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:02 AM
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Looking forward to listening to this one today!

(and he likes Jimmy).

JiMmY hAtEr!!!

No Cossell likes Jimmy mostly. Haters just pick and choose when they can use him to hypocritically hate. Great try.
He said in that clip (if it's the one I think it is) that Jimmy's throwing is impressive because he throws to the middle, where it's congested.

And that's true. It's tough to make your living throwing over the middle. It takes a fast release and precision. Especially when the defense knows that's what you're going to do. The mistake Cosell was making in that clip is assuming that it is a scheme choice by Shanahan compelling Jimmy to throw there. It's actually the other way around: Jimmy's strength is to throw over the middle, and so Shanahan rearranged his scheme to accommodate that.

In summary: throwing over the middle can be risky. Jimmy's really good at it (usually his dumb interceptions over the middle are because of his eyes/brain, not his arm). At that has compelled Shanahan to build his offense around that and other strengths of Jimmy.

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That's going to change with Trey, however.
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:05 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NDSU:
Dude stop.

just block him...trust me, it's much better to see hidden message prompts then what is being said.

Been wondering what that looks like. I'm assuming in Quote+ you won't see their message?
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:05 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Lance would easily have been the 1st overall pick in this draft. So many QB needy teams, and an otherwise crap QB class this year.

That's an opinion many have. However, I believe he would've fallen off hard with more exposure.
I think he is one of the most fortunate athletes in the last few years he didn't have a season to play in 20.
This guy was the 3rd overall pick after starting two years his whole life at qb in his life.

lol. Why are you still here? You're obviously not a 49ers fan.

The irony of you crapping on Trey Lance, but then swearing allegiance to Andy Dalton 2.0.

Allegiance to Mac Jones? Nah. Just 100% opposed to trading what they did for Lance. Mac is better now than Trey will ever be though. So there's that.
And to the guys mocking the comment about "starting two years at qb in his whole life" comment, Im not sure you understand. Not just his senior year in high school and 1 year in sub division cfb….he did t play qb in youth league, junior high, JV, etc. he has a fraction of the reps that pretty much every qb in history has coming into the league. That's why it was absolutely befuddling that a team who was two or three players away from Super Bowls in 3 years, traded assets and passed up getting help now traded for him.
Honestly, I think the Niners would've won the super bowl this year if they stayed out and drafted help on the o line in round one. The deal was so egregious I barely care now.



Oh my god you realized what you've done? You've almost guaranteed yourself to be EMBARRASSED!

Already last year it could be argued by the end of the year that Trey was the better QB of the two. The numbers certainly indicate that. Even if not, he's not far behind. All Trey has to be to make you look like a complete fool is marginally improve.

And then it will be relentless mocking. I swear, if Trey ends up in the Pro Bowl in the next few years, or even merely as an alternate like Jones this year,I will re-post this every time I see a comment from you. It will be so much fun.

Yeah he stepped in it on that one. How can you say a guy who is admittedly a low floor/high ceiling type has maxed out after 2 rookie starts? I mean sure you may think Mac was the choice but come on here ppl give TL a chance to start more than 2 games.
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:09 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NDSU:
Dude stop.

just block him...trust me, it's much better to see hidden message prompts then what is being said.

Been wondering what that looks like. I'm assuming in Quote+ you won't see their message?

As a rule I don't block anyone as I like to think I have enough strength to be able to read other viewpoints without getting triggered out of my mind.
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:10 AM
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by thl408:
Ability to create outside the pocket.
Strong arm.
Good character.
Everything else is still under construction.

Here's what Cosell wrote about him on his pre-draft analysis

Trey Lance

- another high level traits QB
- strong live arm, excellent athleticism, twitch and explosiveness to the way he plays both as throwing and moving
- gives an NFL team the option for designed run game(not quite Lamar Jackson, but we see the value of having that ability)
- can make second reaction plays both throwing and running
- has the athletic profile that fits the evolving mold of today's NFL QB
- the playmaking dimension will get NFL teams excited - live arm, easy delivery, can drive the football. He's got A LOT of traits.
- issue - level of competition and not playing this year(not his fault but... )

*likes him more than Fields

Here's what he said about him during the draft process


This was DJ during an early pre-draft breakdown of Lance (it's a bit over the top) but none the less he had a high value on Lance all the way through the draft process.

https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-trey-lance-north-dakota-state-qb-similar-to-andrew-luck

He actually got to sit down with him and take football which made him love him even more (DJ been in love with this kid for like a yr prior).


Nah but guys like that Bama joker whose made a living on scouting qbs and drafting all pro qbs says he has no elite traits and is garbage and it's Mac Jones who is the best. Those professionals don't know what they're talking about, I'm going to believe and trust every thing that guys like that Bama clown says tho

Mar 2, 2022 at 11:11 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by BamaNiner:
I'm on board

And can we have NY Niner cut down on the curse word posting. Unchecked aggression shall not stand.
Such hostility and it's only March 1

I'm from NY we swear here....sorry it makes you feel awkward. Have some sweet tea and relax.

Mar 2, 2022 at 11:19 AM
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
[...]

Bad

Not ready.
Ambiguous, and therefore meaningless.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Doesn't know the play book.
Evidence?

This claim is DIRECTLY contradicted by Kyle Shanahan:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152587-shanahan-lance-knows-entire-playbook-explains-rookies-absence/

"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

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It appears we have a classic example of someone making something up, claiming it's true, and actually believing what they made up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Doesn't understand his reads.
Evidence?
Is Trey throwing interceptions that clearly show him not knowing a defender is going to be where the ball is thrown, like Jimmy does? It seems Trey is better at post-snap reads than Jimmy.

Trey's struggle is HESITATION, not reads, and it's due to knowing the speed of the game. Which takes playing it, and nothing else can give that to you.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Looks like a 4.6 guy. Not blazing or dynamic running.

He's waiting most of the time he's running. It's hesitation, mostly due to the same thing that gets him on the quick passing game: not being used to the speed of the game.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Hesitant runner. Looks like he wants to curl up into a ball and hide when he sees a defender. A scared runner.

Odd that one sentence later you explained the supposed lack of speed. EDIT — Scared runner? This is the guy that put a Cardinal defender out of the game by lowering his head and diving for the goal line in a high impact collision. Trey isn't scared. He's simply not grasping the basics of hitting holes at the NFL level, or he's looking to throw when he should be sprinting for a first down. Only playing time will fix that.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lacks arm accuracy for this level.
Overall hardly less accurate than Jimmy.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lacks ability to throw a consistent spiral. Bad at this level.

That's false. He had an injured thumb and was making mechanical mistakes due to not trusting what he was seeing on the field. His spirals in college were much more consistent, and they were a lot better in his second start than his pre-season.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Leadership qualities unknown.
Was a leader of a Bible study group as a young teenager. Showed more maturity at 14 on social media than Nick Bosa did at 19.

Anyone claiming he has poor leadership qualities has EXPOSED themselves as someone who hasn't done their research. Trey has an A+++ in all things intangible not directly related to passing the ball.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Lack of game experience in both College and the Pros.

The only thing you got right in this.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Mar 2, 2022 at 11:21 AM ]
Mar 2, 2022 at 11:22 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
[...]

Bad

Not ready.
Ambiguous, and therefore meaningless.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Doesn't know the play book.
Evidence?

This claim is DIRECTLY contradicted by Kyle Shanahan:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152587-shanahan-lance-knows-entire-playbook-explains-rookies-absence/

"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

.
.

It appears we have a classic example of someone making something up, claiming it's true, and actually believing what they made up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Doesn't understand his reads.
Evidence?
Is Trey throwing interceptions that clearly show him not knowing a defender is going to be where the ball is thrown, like Jimmy does? It seems Trey is better at post-snap reads than Jimmy.

Trey's struggle is HESITATION, not reads, and it's due to knowing the speed of the game. Which takes playing it, and nothing else can give that to you.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Looks like a 4.6 guy. Not blazing or dynamic running.

He's waiting most of the time he's running. It's hesitation, mostly due to the same thing that gets him on the quick passing game: not being used to the speed of the game.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Hesitant runner. Looks like he wants to curl up into a ball and hide when he sees a defender. A scared runner.

Odd that one sentence later you explained the supposed lack of speed. EDIT — Scared runner? This is the guy that put a Cardinal defender out of the game by lowering his head and diving for the goal line in a high impact collision. Trey isn't scared. He's simply not grasping the basics of hitting holes at the NFL level, or he's looking to throw when he should be sprinting for a first down. Only playing time will fix that.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lacks arm accuracy for this level.
Overall hardly less accurate than Jimmy.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lacks ability to throw a consistent spiral. Bad at this level.

That's false. He had an injured thumb and was making mechanical mistakes due to not trusting what he was seeing on the field. His spirals in college were much more consistent, and they were a lot better in his second start than his pre-season.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Leadership qualities unknown.
Was a leader of a Bible study group as a young teenager. Showed more maturity at 14 on social media than Nick Bosa did at 19.

Anyone claiming he has poor leadership qualities has EXPOSED themselves as someone who hasn't done their research. Trey has an A+++ in all things intangible not directly related to passing the ball.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Lack of game experience in both College and the Pros.

The only thing you got right in this.

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