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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I agree with everything SanDiego49ers said.

This. Wasn't a fan of his takes back in the day, but he's been spot on lately

That's right.


"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. "He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

"Doesn't know the playbook." — SanDiego49er



Our Leader SanDiego49er will have the perfect response.

His perfect response will only be perfect to in the sense that Ramsay made ramen perfectly like in this video.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I agree with everything SanDiego49ers said.

This. Wasn't a fan of his takes back in the day, but he's been spot on lately

That's right.


"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. "He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

"Doesn't know the playbook." — SanDiego49er

i have no doubt he can learn the playbook he is very smart but i dont think he had the entire playbook down last season our offense was a bit limited in games he was the starter compared to Jimmy

obviously that is expected one is a veteran wiith 3+ years in the system vs a rookie
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I agree with everything SanDiego49ers said.

This. Wasn't a fan of his takes back in the day, but he's been spot on lately

That's right.


"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. "He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

"Doesn't know the playbook." — SanDiego49er

i have no doubt he can learn the playbook he is very smart but i dont think he had the entire playbook down last season our offense was a bit limited in games he was the starter compared to Jimmy

obviously that is expected one is a veteran wiith 3+ years in the system vs a rookie

No.

It's not just learning the playbook. As I pointed out in my quote, Shanahan said he already knew it by training camp.

Let me repeat: IT'S NOT JUST KNOWING THE PLAYBOOK.

Okay?

Now, HERE'S why the offense was limited: NFL DEFENSES. Understanding the playbook IS NOT the same thing as understanding NFL defenses. And I don't just mean coverages. I also mean having a feel for the speed of NFL defenses. So, because Trey KNEW THE PLAYBOOK but did NOT know NFL defenses (and in fact had close to zero experience of them, and had likely never seen anything remotely close to NFL defensive schemes in college), Shanahan didn't want to rely on him consistently making the right reads. READING DEFENSES IS NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PLAYBOOK. It's more than that. Knowing the playbook is the same thing as knowing material on an academic test. All it takes is studying. Knowing defenses requires seeing them in live action.

You'll notice that in the second game, the play-calling was quite different with Trey. And in fact he DID clearly have the base offense. Moreover, that scheme looked more like the 2016 Falcons scheme. This was as much the "base offense" as we've had around here. The reason? Trey had more experience playing against NFL defenses. It wasn't "knowing the playbook." You can in theory understand everything the offense is supposed to do, but if you can't tell a cover 3 from a cover 6 while you're getting rushed by the defense, it may not be wise to have you running the base offense.

In summary: knowing a playbook is knowing unchanging, precise information. Knowing DEFENSES requires gaining experience, it requires intuition that is only gained BY experience, and it requires learning how defenses disguise coverages. Trey improved on that late in the year. As he did everything else.

But he knew the playbook before the pre-season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
We do need more WRs, SF after they resign Jennings will have only 3 on the books. I would like a slot WR that can move the chains on 3rd downs and a field stretcher hoping that either can return kicks.

I agree. We have bigger needs than WR. That Would be about 5th on my list after OL, DB, backup QB, and DL not necessarily in that order. It will depend on the quality of the guy that's available when they pick. If there's a good OL that they like go with that. If there's a better DB then go that route. We're going to lose some guys in the off season so we need to replace them.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I agree with everything SanDiego49ers said.

This. Wasn't a fan of his takes back in the day, but he's been spot on lately

That's right.


"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. "He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

"Doesn't know the playbook." — SanDiego49er



Our Leader SanDiego49er will have the perfect response.

If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I agree with everything SanDiego49ers said.

This. Wasn't a fan of his takes back in the day, but he's been spot on lately

That's right.


"Trey's got the whole playbook in his head. "He was able to do that in training camp." — Kyle Shanahan

"Doesn't know the playbook." — SanDiego49er



Our Leader SanDiego49er will have the perfect response.

If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

It's one thing to know the playbook and executing it.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

What makes your eyes worth anything? You a former scout?
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

What makes your eyes worth anything? You a former scout?

LOL sir this is a fan site. You're gonna criticize someone for using their eyes and making up their own mind?

met with SF
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

There's a massive difference between understanding the playbook/verbiage and executing the plays during live in-game snaps. You need legit practice with the guys you're gonna play with on Sundays (which he did not) and having some sort of understanding what to do pre/post snap based on coverage with each play. He's also got more than one play relayed to him from Kyle each down.

Having an understanding of the playbook doesn't mean you can just go out and run all the plays correctly during a game.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

What makes your eyes worth anything? You a former scout?

LOL sir this is a fan site. You're gonna criticize someone for using their eyes and making up their own mind?

I just dont get when people ignore all the great things Trey has shown so far, and all the things coaches, execs, and outside experts have said about his progress, only to "trust their own eye", as if their eye is more trustworthy than what Greg Cosell said.
Originally posted by Niners99:
I just dont get when people ignore all the great things Trey has shown so far, and all the things coaches, execs, and outside experts have said about his progress, only to "trust their own eye", as if their eye is more trustworthy than what Greg Cosell said.

You know why...
Originally posted by NYniner85:

met with SF

I guess the Burrow+Chase connection is now the hottest thing to get in the NFL.
Based on Lance's performance in the preseason and in 2 1/2 regular season games, I see the Niners finally hoisting up a 6th Lombardi trophy this next season.

This is a talented and mentally strong team, they just need a signal caller who can make 2-3 big throws a game to get them over the hump.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If he had the whole playbook down, why did Shanahan use him as a battering ram in the cardinals game? Is it an issue of processing? Speed of the game?

I'm not buying anything anyone feeds me. I don't give a flying f**k what Shanahan says. Lynch says, or kitlle or Montana or anyone.

I'm going to wait for the season to start and use my eyes.

There's a massive difference between understanding the playbook/verbiage and executing the plays during live in-game snaps. You need legit practice with the guys you're gonna play with on Sundays (which he did not) and having some sort of understanding what to do pre/post snap based on coverage with each play. He's also got more than one play relayed to him from Kyle each down.

Having an understanding of the playbook doesn't mean you can just go out and run all the plays correctly during a game.

In time you'll learn just as I did. There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

An interested side note, I honestly felt the pre snap routine was smoother with Trey, I don't remember a single Time Out let alone Delay of Game with him in there.

Granted he only really played home games.
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