Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Im talking about this upcoming season. Jimmy gives us the best chance to win. It's undeniable as he's gotten us to the NFCC every year he's been healthy. He he got us there with a broken hand and shoulder. The coaches and front offices job is to win. Jimmy has Super Bowl potential. He's been there and was one play away. That's simply not the case with Lance. That's not a knock on lance. He's young. He'll be fine but Jimmy is still here for a reason.

Reason he's still here is no one seems to want him. 9ers aren't turning down trades because they are concerned about Lance being ready.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Right. That's why no rookie should play. It worked out for joe after sitting for 18 months behind deberg. He won a super bowl in year three with ricky patton earl cooper lenvil elliot and charlie young carrying the load.of course joe worked for true pass game genius who invemted the foundations of modern possession passing. So there's that.

Big Ben went what 13-0 as a rookie then won a SB the next yr. Russell Wilson went 11-5 as a rookie then won a SB the next yr…so there's that too.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
My point exactly. No.

Right right right so he would have just been great without having a years worth of learning how to be a QB by playing….that yr of football being a starting seeing coverages was a waste in his development. If only he was the scout QB for a yr…he would have been so much better

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Why is this controversial. Plain as day. Only in the alice in wonderland webzone.

Why can't Lance throw 20 TDs and 12 INTs like Jimmy did this past yr? Why can't Lance throw more INTs then TDs in the playoffs like Jimmy did? Why is is so controversial to say Lance might be able to be an avg starting QB like Jimmy is at a tenth of the price with massive upside tide to him?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Im talking about this upcoming season. Jimmy gives us the best chance to win. It's undeniable as he's gotten us to the NFCC every year he's been healthy. He he got us there with a broken hand and shoulder. The coaches and front offices job is to win. Jimmy has Super Bowl potential. He's been there and was one play away. That's simply not the case with Lance. That's not a knock on lance. He's young. He'll be fine but Jimmy is still here for a reason.

Reason he's still here is no one seems to want him. 9ers aren't turning down trades because they are concerned about Lance being ready.

Hard to turn down trade offers when they aren't any…the fact that they traded 3 1sts for his replacement and have been trying to move him should be a enough for even bias Jimmy fans to understand the truth of the matter. It's dumb to even try to deny the reality of the situation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Right. That's why no rookie should play. It worked out for joe after sitting for 18 months behind deberg. He won a super bowl in year three with ricky patton earl cooper lenvil elliot and charlie young carrying the load.of course joe worked for true pass game genius who invemted the foundations of modern possession passing. So there's that.

Big Ben went what 13-0 as a rookie then won a SB the next yr. Russell Wilson went 11-5 as a rookie then won a SB the next yr…so there's that too.

Also burrow last year getting injured halfway through the season but making it to the SB this year

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Right. That's why no rookie should play. It worked out for joe. He won a super bowl in year three with ricky patton earl cooper lenvil elliot and charlie young carrying the load.of course joe worked for true pass game genius who invemted the foundations of modern possession passing. So there's that.

Peyton Manning 'shouldn'tve' played in 1998?

My point exactly. No.

Ben Roethlisberger went 15-1 in his rookie year and won an SB in his 2nd year.

Before his arrival, the Steelers were perennial contenders with excellent defenses, run games, and skill players who couldn't get over the hump because of mediocre QB play. Sounds familiar.

Trey was drafted to get the Niners over the hump, if he isn't ready then it's not go back to Jimmy, it's ship both QBs out & bring in Brady to finally get ring #6.

But that isn't the case, Trey is prepared to start and run Shanahan's offense.

Here's a comparison of Jimmy's 3rd year stats that made him a hot commodity vs. Lance's rookie year.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Claiming Lance isn't ready and that rookies shouldn't play, goes against evidence to the contrary.

If you say boss

Whatever, don't make weak arguments that can easily be shot down.

I see.

you pick the one qb who has won a super bowl in his second year in the past century and you have "easily" eviscerated my "weak" argument that almost without exception rookie qb's would improve their career development by sitting their first year.

No flies on you.

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They are hugely overly optimistic. He hasn't shown good mechanics so far. If you have to completely rework mechanics is it worth all that trade capital in the first place?

Actual professional QB coaches disagree with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMy3WCUg75k

Yup he's worked with josh Allen for years. That's his damn job to evaluate, train, and help QBs with mechanics. SD hasn't proven to be any of that lol

Joe Montana says he's not ready, therefore by experience of an all time great QB who has really distanced himself from football and has had nothing to do with the 49ers for ages, his opinion is that Trey is not ready which should now be written in the football bible as fact

That's correct. Joe Montana said Trey Lance is not ready. Which he is not.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They are hugely overly optimistic. He hasn't shown good mechanics so far. If you have to completely rework mechanics is it worth all that trade capital in the first place?

Patrick mahomes still today doesn't have good mechanics. I think the need to have good throwing mechanics is abit overrated. Some QB's might need it and others might not. I think the QB's that lack the arm talent need really good mechanics. But QB's like Mahomes and Allen don't really have that good of mechanics but it works for them because they go so much arm talent and athletic ability. Though it is still good to try and improve on it,I don't think it has to be perfect for someone like Trey.

Mahomes is 1,000 times more accurate and he can throw a spiral. Stop with the Mahomes stuff. Lance can't even carry Mahomes jock strap out to the field.

Maybe they should start putting out some media or practice film to start getting the fan base excited about him soon.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Babysitting is not an option when the window is now. Babysitting is done with bad teams that can afford rookie mistakes. It's not the other 52 guys fault he won't play football for 3 years. They are there to win too no babysit.

So let me get this straight. We go with Jimmy now with an elite roster but we still won't win the superbowl because we are lacking at the most important position. Then when Trey becomes elite we go with him when he has a horrible roster to work with and we still don't win the superbowl because of that.Is that what I am hearing?

Im talking about this upcoming season. Jimmy gives us the best chance to win. It's undeniable as he's gotten us to the NFCC every year he's been healthy. He he got us there with a broken hand and shoulder. The coaches and front offices job is to win. Jimmy has Super Bowl potential. He's been there and was one play away. That's simply not the case with Lance. That's not a knock on lance. He's young. He'll be fine but Jimmy is still here for a reason.

Well he isn't healthy now and chances are not very good he'll be able to stay healthy next year. Trey will obviously have his ups and downs, but by the end of the season and entering the playoffs if we make them, I expect him to be better than Jimmy. No matter what year is his 1st starting, he will undoubtedly have moments where he struggles, so best to get that out of the way sooner than later. That way on e he has gained experience, we will still have a strong roster with a QB on a small contract.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Let's SEE him improve. SHOW me don't tell me. So far he hasn't shown the consistent ability to throw a spiral or an accurate ball.

lol you haven't even had a legit chance to see anything…why don't you let him play before you pretend to act like you know what you're talking about. So far all you've done is make up crap and throw s**t against the wall.

you know who can't throw a spiral or accurate ball consistently? f**king Jimmy G yet here you are

If he could play he would play. But so far he hasn't. Joe Montana said he's not ready. So he is not ready as of right now.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Maybe they should start putting out some media or practice film to start getting the fan base excited about him soon.

Too busy trying to negotiate a bologna sandwich out of some other GM as compensation for taking on Jimmy's contract.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Maybe they should start putting out some media or practice film to start getting the fan base excited about him soon.

Too busy trying to negotiate a bologna sandwich out of some other GM as compensation for taking on Jimmy's contract.

ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Jimmy contract looked like a massive disaster movie two weeks ago.



Now



ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Right. That's why no rookie should play. It worked out for joe. He won a super bowl in year three with ricky patton earl cooper lenvil elliot and charlie young carrying the load.of course joe worked for true pass game genius who invemted the foundations of modern possession passing. So there's that.

Peyton Manning 'shouldn'tve' played in 1998?

My point exactly. No.

Ben Roethlisberger went 15-1 in his rookie year and won an SB in his 2nd year.

Before his arrival, the Steelers were perennial contenders with excellent defenses, run games, and skill players who couldn't get over the hump because of mediocre QB play. Sounds familiar.

Trey was drafted to get the Niners over the hump, if he isn't ready then it's not go back to Jimmy, it's ship both QBs out & bring in Brady to finally get ring #6.

But that isn't the case, Trey is prepared to start and run Shanahan's offense.

Here's a comparison of Jimmy's 3rd year stats that made him a hot commodity vs. Lance's rookie year.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Claiming Lance isn't ready and that rookies shouldn't play, goes against evidence to the contrary.

If you say boss

Whatever, don't make weak arguments that can easily be shot down.

I see.

you pick the one qb who has won a super bowl in his second year in the past century and you have "easily" eviscerated my "weak" argument that almost without exception rookie qb's would improve their career development by sitting their first year.

No flies on you.

Other posters have also cited Russell Wilson and Joe Burrows. Mahommes could arguably be added to that list, he was ready day 1.

There's a lot of variables that determine a rookie QBs success, most notably the roster around them, coaching, and how familiar they are with the new scheme.

There's a precedence for successful rookie QBs who go on to win the SB in year 2 & 3.

The point is mute as Trey is in his second year. If you look at Brady or Kaep, they sat almost their entire rookies years, but took their teams to the SB on year 2.

That's the expectation for Trey as he was drafted to put the team over the top.

If you believe otherwise then provide credible support, otherwise you're making stuff up to suit whatever bias you may have.