Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Im talking about this upcoming season. Jimmy gives us the best chance to win. It's undeniable as he's gotten us to the NFCC every year he's been healthy. He he got us there with a broken hand and shoulder. The coaches and front offices job is to win. Jimmy has Super Bowl potential. He's been there and was one play away. That's simply not the case with Lance. That's not a knock on lance. He's young. He'll be fine but Jimmy is still here for a reason.

Jimmy is still here because nobody wants him.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
They gave up 3 first round picks for him. Yes he does, lol.

WTH are you talking about?

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mahomes is 1,000 times more accurate and he can throw a spiral. Stop with the Mahomes stuff. Lance can't even carry Mahomes jock strap out to the field.

And before Mahomes stepped on an NFL field people were probally saying the samething about him. Here is some news that might be a shocker. Every QB is unproven until they are. When Rodgers had his 1st game, People would have said it's rediculous if anybody believes he will be a top 5 QB in this game. When Brady took over for Bledsoe, People didn't think he was going to be elite. There is not a single QB in the history of this game you can say was ready when they 1st stepped on an NFLfield.

We will see. He hasn't proven anything yet.

Originally posted by Since07:
I don't think anyone wants nor expects Jimmy to be the long term answer he may be our best option. Trey might not be better than him yet. The 9ers are ready for the Lance era but if we can't get anything for Jimmy it might not be such a ludicrous idea to keep him as insurance and let them battle in training camp.

If Jimmy has a better camp then I say give him the job and hope Lance takes the reigns later in the year

Jimmy is gone because we have to extend better players: Bosa and Deebo. Jimmy is gone because we have a better cheaper QB. Trey Lance

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
What's the point of a camp battle? We know Jimmy isn't good enough, so why even let him steal reps from Trey? The notion that Trey must be definitively better than Jimmy by training camp with just 2 career starts under his belt is flawed to begin with. We've seen Jimmy's ceiling and we know he's not good enough. Now the FO is banking on what they believe Trey can become, but he's far from his peak right now which is understandable since he hasn't played. His development will be delayed or he might not get there at all if we don't start going all in on him and give him every starter rep going forward.

I just don't think Trey must start and having him wait will stunt his development argument is a bit overblown and the competition might be good. Jimmy isn't elite but he's good when healthy and if he gets hurt then we can bring in Lance. Who knows Jimmy might want out and Trey might be looking like Josh Allen in camp but the notation that Lance has to start no matter what is being hasty when we don't have to be.

Originally posted by Since07:
I just don't think Trey must start and having him wait will stunt his development argument is a bit overblown and the competition might be good. Jimmy isn't elite but he's good when healthy and if he gets hurt then we can bring in Lance. Who knows Jimmy might want out and Trey might be looking like Josh Allen in camp but the notation that Lance has to start no matter what is being hasty when we don't have to be.

Aiyuk should ask for a trade if Jimmy is the starting QB next season. Jimmy is costing him alot of money when it comes to his future contract.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

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Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Right. That's why no rookie should play. It worked out for joe. He won a super bowl in year three with ricky patton earl cooper lenvil elliot and charlie young carrying the load.of course joe worked for true pass game genius who invemted the foundations of modern possession passing. So there's that.

Peyton Manning 'shouldn'tve' played in 1998?

My point exactly. No.

Ben Roethlisberger went 15-1 in his rookie year and won an SB in his 2nd year.

Before his arrival, the Steelers were perennial contenders with excellent defenses, run games, and skill players who couldn't get over the hump because of mediocre QB play. Sounds familiar.

Trey was drafted to get the Niners over the hump, if he isn't ready then it's not go back to Jimmy, it's ship both QBs out & bring in Brady to finally get ring #6.

But that isn't the case, Trey is prepared to start and run Shanahan's offense.

Here's a comparison of Jimmy's 3rd year stats that made him a hot commodity vs. Lance's rookie year.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

Claiming Lance isn't ready and that rookies shouldn't play, goes against evidence to the contrary.

If you say boss

Whatever, don't make weak arguments that can easily be shot down.

I see.

you pick the one qb who has won a super bowl in his second year in the past century and you have "easily" eviscerated my "weak" argument that almost without exception rookie qb's would improve their career development by sitting their first year.

No flies on you.

Other posters have also cited Russell Wilson and Joe Burrows. Mahommes could arguably be added to that list, he was ready day 1.

There's a lot of variables that determine a rookie QBs success, most notably the roster around them, coaching, and how familiar they are with the new scheme.

There's a precedence for successful rookie QBs who go on to win the SB in year 2 & 3.

The point is mute as Trey is in his second year. If you look at Brady or Kaep, they sat almost their entire rookies years, but took their teams to the SB on year 2.

That's the expectation for Trey as he was drafted to put the team over the top.

If you believe otherwise then provide credible support, otherwise you're making stuff up to suit whatever bias you may have.

"Precedent"?

You mean "exceptions that prove the rule."

Here's the article that lays out the age of starting qb's in the super bowl. Very interesting

It's proves beyond a doubt its more likely for an iceberg to hit the earth than trey to win the super bowl at his age.

He would be a full !!!!--->1+<-----!!!!!! years younger than roethlesburger at the time of next years super bowl!!!

Big Ben was the youngest player in the history of the NFL to win a super bowl.

TREY IS 21-320+ DAYS OLD NOW!!!!!!! PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE AND LISTEN TO REASON.

He needs to learn and not be rushed. And, yeah, it's a great thing he sat last year. Best favor we could have done him.

It's chimerical to talk about "second year guys" without taking into account their chronological age.

Not only were they all three years older than trey, they had a heck of a lot more snaps under their belt.

None of this has to actually do with the original point that it's better to sit than play your rookie year.

I just think that guys who start early and take it on the chin like aikman, jones, manning Luck etc all could have had higher career trajectories if they didn't start so early.

I put burrow in that category too, who is getting beat to s**t.

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The age of a QB is irrelevant, it's the player's maturity level and playing experience that matters, that and the supporting roster and coaching.

And again, he was drafted with the expectation of immediately leading a talented veteran team to a SB.

Shanahan and Lynch obviously don't share your opinion on how to develop a young QB.

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We don't know the future but I just can't imagine any fan not being excited out of their mind for what's coming. What we do know, he has an awesome tight family. We know he's damn mature for his age. He's seems more humble than cocky.

We know the short time at NDSU he kicked ass. We know NDSU does a hell of a lot to prepare their QBs for the NFL. We know all the people b***hing here how Kyle didn't do his QB homework in the past. We know last year he did and he was head over heels with Trey Lance. You wanted home work well here ya go.

I just don't see how any fan can't be excited out of their mind but hell I don't know how the Jimmy thread holds up. It's sick really. If that's the best you can hope for at QB save us all. Either dudes are sold on looks and face of franchise but that can't be.

I periodically watch the pick 3 in the draft and get goose bumps. The NFC is so not even at the AFC level we should be in great shape.

Trey should be a stud. End of the road for years. Long after Jimmy takes his money and marches into the sun set.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
What's the point of a camp battle? We know Jimmy isn't good enough, so why even let him steal reps from Trey? The notion that Trey must be definitively better than Jimmy by training camp with just 2 career starts under his belt is flawed to begin with. We've seen Jimmy's ceiling and we know he's not good enough. Now the FO is banking on what they believe Trey can become, but he's far from his peak right now which is understandable since he hasn't played. His development will be delayed or he might not get there at all if we don't start going all in on him and give him every starter rep going forward.

I just don't think Trey must start and having him wait will stunt his development argument is a bit overblown and the competition might be good. Jimmy isn't elite but he's good when healthy and if he gets hurt then we can bring in Lance. Who knows Jimmy might want out and Trey might be looking like Josh Allen in camp but the notation that Lance has to start no matter what is being hasty when we don't have to be.

It's not stunting his growth. It's WASTING valuable seasons in which he's on a rookie contract. So many people want to play Jimmy while our roster is loaded, then play Lance with only a year or 2 left on his rookie deal. Those years will still consist of the same growing pains he will have now. No. Get that over with and take advantage of the kid while he's cheap. He won't be for long.

Deeb is a stud but there is truth with Brandon and Trey. It was the same last year with reports they are bonding.

I can't frigging wait to see them play out.

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I'm not down on Lance but why go into the playoffs with Garoppolo when he had a broken thumb and a bad throwing shoulder if Lance is ready?

I expected Lance to start in 2022 but something seems fishy. Especially Lynch making the "false" claim of a two 2nds trade offer yet not pulling the trigger...

Originally posted by Since07:
I'm not down on Lance but why go into the playoffs with Garoppolo when he had a broken thumb and a bad throwing shoulder if Lance is ready?

I expected Lance to start in 2022 but something seems fishy. Especially Lynch making the "false" claim of a two 2nds trade offer yet not pulling the trigger...

I think it's all to try and boost up Jimmy's value. Just like saying they gave Sudfeld guaranteed money because other teams coveted him. I have a hard time believing there were teams interested in Sudfeld. John knows if people believe Sudfeld is the backup it means Trey is the starter and that will lower Jimmy's value because everybody will know we need to get rid of him. Unfortunetely nobody around the league is buying it and they know Jimmy's days in San Fran are numbered.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
It's not stunting his growth. It's WASTING valuable seasons in which he's on a rookie contract. So many people want to play Jimmy while our roster is loaded, then play Lance with only a year or 2 left on his rookie deal. Those years will still consist of the same growing pains he will have now. No. Get that over with and take advantage of the kid while he's cheap. He won't be for long.

Oh I get that and thats a good way of putting it "growing pains" but we are in contention with a wide open NFC if Lance isn't there yet we have the opportunity not to rush him and we should take advantage of it if thats the case. We've positioned our selfs to be able to keep Garoppolo and either way what money we do save from moving on from him will be going straight to Bosa next year. Getting rid of Garoppolo isn't a must and gives us good insurance at qb. I just wonder if Garoppolo would be willing to stay given the situation

Originally posted by Since07:
I'm not down on Lance but why go into the playoffs with Garoppolo when he had a broken thumb and a bad throwing shoulder if Lance is ready?

I expected Lance to start in 2022 but something seems fishy. Especially Lynch making the "false" claim of a two 2nds trade offer yet not pulling the trigger...

For one Lynch never made the claim there was two seconds offered for a trade, that was for the most part an unsubstantiated report.

and this isn't madden you can't just switch your qb right before playoffs especially for a rookie. The team was more used to playing with Jimmy. If jimmy could ply he was playing.

And finally he has the whole off-season to be better prepared this year where he was at the end of last year has no bearing on where he will be the start of this year.

Originally posted by Since07:
Oh I get that and thats a good way of putting it "growing pains" but we are in contention with a wide open NFC if Lance isn't there yet we have the opportunity not to rush him and we should take advantage of it if thats the case. We've positioned our selfs to be able to keep Garoppolo and either way what money we do save from moving on from him will be going straight to Bosa next year. Getting rid of Garoppolo isn't a must and gives us good insurance at qb. I just wonder if Garoppolo would be willing to stay given the situation

Oh my god he said good bye. The 9ers picked Trey and have him sit a year. f**k Jimmy taking a pay cut. He's gone it's f**king over. It will be a cut if need be. Fans can't really be this stupid.