Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NDSU:


He got a little more ink. Honestly, kind of meh.

Lol trash

Who is that. Nasty

Yea not gonna lie thats pretty wack. Good work by the artist but not a fan of the concept.

Meh, as long as he doesn't Tebow it up with a prayer for every TD, it doesn't really bother me.

hes the child of this guy?



im kunphused

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NDSU:


He got a little more ink. Honestly, kind of meh.

Lol trash

Who is that. Nasty

Yea not gonna lie thats pretty wack. Good work by the artist but not a fan of the concept.

Meh, as long as he doesn't Tebow it up with a prayer for every TD, it doesn't really bother me.

Not saying it bothers me at all. I couldn't care less if he got dicks tatted all over his back. It's his body and he can do as he pleases. Just saying I'm really not feeling that design. Like I'd probably clown my boy if he got that.

Its not finished yet apparently. I hope they do something to fix that negative space cross.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NDSU:


He got a little more ink. Honestly, kind of meh.

Lol trash

Who is that. Nasty

Yea not gonna lie thats pretty wack. Good work by the artist but not a fan of the concept.

Meh, as long as he doesn't Tebow it up with a prayer for every TD, it doesn't really bother me.

Not saying it bothers me at all. I couldn't care less if he got dicks tatted all over his back. It's his body and he can do as he pleases. Just saying I'm really not feeling that design. Like I'd probably clown my boy if he got that.

It is curious this comes across the internet just ahead of the most important weekend of all for Christians around the world.

Trey Lance has made no secret of his faith. In fact, he has frequently expressed it in terms of his God-given abilities and how he sees football as a way to express his gratitude in public. For a fan base that hopes he is the savior of the franchise, now we see him express his hope in his personal savior. Let's allow him to freedom to do that as he works to fulfill our hopes on the football field.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of tattoos, however, this one draws on a scene in C. S. Lewis's famous book "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe." It is well-executed.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NDSU:

He got a little more ink. Honestly, kind of meh.

Lol trash

Who is that. Nasty

Yea not gonna lie thats pretty wack. Good work by the artist but not a fan of the concept.

Meh, as long as he doesn't Tebow it up with a prayer for every TD, it doesn't really bother me.

Not saying it bothers me at all. I couldn't care less if he got dicks tatted all over his back. It's his body and he can do as he pleases. Just saying I'm really not feeling that design. Like I'd probably clown my boy if he got that.

Would be the focus of many jokes around here as well. More power to him but that's awful.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Zachary:
5torm coming

f**k outta here with that s**t. The two QBs are no more similar than Jimmy is to Cousins. Entirely different strengths and weaknesses, different approaches to the game, etc.

With all due respect how could you possibly know this in 10 quarters?

Pretty sure it was a joke btw.

Because he has about 318 college passes and 192 rushes you can look at.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
IMO, a FQB is one who spends a decade or more with the same team. If Eli didn't win those super bowls he probably wouldn't have been a FQB because I imagine they would have moved on from him a lot sooner than they did.

So how are guys considered franchise guys well before 10 years. Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff were both considered FQB

Not to anyone with a pair of eyes and a simple grasp of reality.

This

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Now look at the Super Bowl winning QBs since 1992:

Franchise QBs:
Stafford
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Brady
Brady
Wilson
Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Rapelisberger
Manning
Manning
Rapelisberger
Brady
Brady
Brady
Warner
Elway
Elway
Favre
Aikman
Young
Aikman
Aikman

Non-Franchise QBs:
Foles
Manning (at the time)
Flacco
Johnson
Dilfer

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26-5. So you have to ask yourself, do you want a winning record, or do you want a ring? If you want a ring, my money would be on teams with a Franchise QB.

What makes most of those guys Franchise QBs? The fact that they won SBs? The fact that their team wins with them? What is the definition of Franchise QB?

if ELI didn't win 2 SBs would he be a Franchise QB?
If Aikman didn't have a Great OL would he still be considered a Franchise QB? If DangerRuss didn't have legion of Boom and looked like he has since, would he still be a Franchise QB?

Why didn't you list the losing QBs? Because they lost SBs are they not Franchise QBs?

Because "[w]e don't raise division championship banners, we don't raise NFC Championship banners. We raise Super Bowl banners." /JedYork

The goal is not to lose a Super Bowl. The goal is to WIN the Super Bowl.

Side note: I'm obviously using the term "Franchise QB" not to just mean long term starter, but guys who are elite or just on the border of elite. And yeah, Eli Manning delivering in the crunchiest of crunch time—TWICE—elevates him above the McNabbs of the league. And yes, Aikman probably would still have been a great QB as he was INSANELY accurate at all three levels, and Wilson's numbers are quite absurd, along with NINE Pro Bowl selections, so yeah. Dude has a career 3.36 to 1 TD to INT ratio (by comparison, Brady is 3.07, Jimmy is 1.87, Steve is 2.17, and Joe is 1.96). So yeah, Wilson is still a Franchise QB without the Legion of s**t to help him.

But since you asked:

Franchise QBs that lost:
Burrow
Mahomes
Brady
Ryan
Newton
Wilson
Manning
Brady
Rapelisberger
Manning
Warner
Brady
Warner
Favre
Kelly
Kelly

Non-Franchise QBs that lost:
Garoppolo
Goff
Kap
Grossman
Hasselbeck
McNabb (you can argue the other side, but zero 4000 passing seasons, no All Pros, no Super Bowl wins, I say he was a very good starter, not a "Franchise QB.")
Delhomme
Gannon (yeah, he won the MVP, but the guy never even had 30 TDs and only one 4000 yard season, and in the only game that matters, he choked like a Houston hooker)
Collins
McNair (3 Pro Bowls does not a Franchise QB make; not without the stats to back it up. Dude never even had more than 24 touchdown passes)
Chandler
Bledsoe (look at his numbers; overrated af. No 30 TD seasons, his season with his most yards had 27 INTs, RIDICULOUS 3.1 INT%)
O'Donnell (Dollar Store knock off Jim Harbaugh)
Humphries

16-14. Barely better than 50-50. Even if you take the four guys who might have a good argument to be "Franchise QBs," (McNabb, Gannon, McNair and Bledsoe, although I disagree, since these guys were all good but not great), it's only a 2 to 1 ratio. As far as WINNERS go, it's a FIVE to one ratio.

Oh, btw, just to point out how freaking astounding Rodgers is, his TD to INT ratio is a hysterical 4.83. Are you kidding me? How does this guy only have one ring?

Maybe he just doesn't take enough chances. He's only led the NFL in ANY/A four times (that's a metric that takes touchdowns, INTs, yards and sacks/yards lost into account). I can see it. Rodgers throwing incompletes or taking a sack instead of taking a chance on third and 18.

EDIT—In fact, his second highest INT% of his entire career was the only year the Packers won a Super Bowl with him. I've seen the argument before (backed up by data), that there is a minimum number of INTs that you WANT to be throwing, because if you're not throwing them you're not being aggressive enough.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NDSU:


He got a little more ink. Honestly, kind of meh.

Lol trash

Who is that. Nasty

Yea not gonna lie thats pretty wack. Good work by the artist but not a fan of the concept.

Meh, as long as he doesn't Tebow it up with a prayer for every TD, it doesn't really bother me.

Not saying it bothers me at all. I couldn't care less if he got dicks tatted all over his back. It's his body and he can do as he pleases. Just saying I'm really not feeling that design. Like I'd probably clown my boy if he got that.

It is curious this comes across the internet just ahead of the most important weekend of all for Christians around the world.

Trey Lance has made no secret of his faith. In fact, he has frequently expressed it in terms of his God-given abilities and how he sees football as a way to express his gratitude in public. For a fan base that hopes he is the savior of the franchise, now we see him express his hope in his personal savior. Let's allow him to freedom to do that as he works to fulfill our hopes on the football field.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of tattoos, however, this one draws on a scene in C. S. Lewis's famous book "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe." It is well-executed.

The bold is why he'd get ripped on if he wasn't such a boss. But I mean, C.S. Lewis got it from the Bible anyway (Lion of the Tribe of Judah), so it isn't necessarily from an allegory written for children. As a painting, I'd think it was dope af. Not sure as a tattoo, but whatever, people put art on their body things they feel embody them as a person.

I just hope he doesn't ever leave his faith, because then it'd just be awkward.

Also, kudos for pointing out the timing. I find it hard to believe it was a coincidence.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think it's more than the media. GMs believe you do need a FQB , otherwise, they wouldn't be trading quality assets for them. Dump Goff bring in Stafford, dump Mayfield bring in Watson . I guess we'll wait and see how many SBs the Pats win with Mac.

Yes the same Stafford that threw a punt to Tartt that could've sealed their fate.

Also, I believe Goff too went to a SB with LAR with a lesser team.

Last time we saw Watson in the playoffs he and HOU blew a bigger lead to KC than Jimmy G and the 9ers.

Stop cherry picking certain plays. You're telling me you'd rather have a Goff, Garoppolo, Cousins etc than Mahomes, Brady or another elite QB to try and reach the SB ?

Mahomes or Brady, no doubt, not sure if there are any other elites right now.

Hopefully Lance joins the list of elites.

Dude you just gonna ignore the MVP based on one game in which it was frozen? Rodgers is elite af. Fan bias makes some of us think one game determines the rule (and the truth is, Rodgers was the best QB on the field that game). I don't get it. The same arguments were made after week 10. Suddenly Stafford is garbage because Jimmy had a career game and Stafford had his worst game of the year. One game is not a large enough sample size to determine if a guy is good or bad in a season.

Also, I think most of us can agree that Josh Allen has taken that step into the elite category. And Wilson, sorry to say it, but he was having a typical top 8 season, as he always does. Herbert, if he's not there yet, is probably going to be soon.

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If you, again, organize these guys by most statistical metrics, you'll see three clear and distinguished tiers. Now, maybe you don't want to call all the tier one guys elite, and that's reasonable, since the slope for the top ten guys is pretty steep, but there's a huge drop off after them.

And I hate to be the bearer of even more pessimism, but the odds of Lance hitting that threshold are surely no better than 50/50.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

I think it's more than the media. GMs believe you do need a FQB , otherwise, they wouldn't be trading quality assets for them. Dump Goff bring in Stafford, dump Mayfield bring in Watson . I guess we'll wait and see how many SBs the Pats win with Mac.

Yes the same Stafford that threw a punt to Tartt that could've sealed their fate.

Also, I believe Goff too went to a SB with LAR with a lesser team.

Last time we saw Watson in the playoffs he and HOU blew a bigger lead to KC than Jimmy G and the 9ers.

Stop cherry picking certain plays. You're telling me you'd rather have a Goff, Garoppolo, Cousins etc than Mahomes, Brady or another elite QB to try and reach the SB ?

Mahomes or Brady, no doubt, not sure if there are any other elites right now.

Hopefully Lance joins the list of elites.

Dude you just gonna ignore the MVP based on one game in which it was frozen? Rodgers is elite af. Fan bias makes some of us think one game determines the rule (and the truth is, Rodgers was the best QB on the field that game). I don't get it. The same arguments were made after week 10. Suddenly Stafford is garbage because Jimmy had a career game and Stafford had his worst game of the year. One game is not a large enough sample size to determine if a guy is good or bad in a season.

Also, I think most of us can agree that Josh Allen has taken that step into the elite category. And Wilson, sorry to say it, but he was having a typical top 8 season, as he always does. Herbert, if he's not there yet, is probably going to be soon.

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If you, again, organize these guys by most statistical metrics, you'll see three clear and distinguished tiers. Now, maybe you don't want to call all the tier one guys elite, and that's reasonable, since the slope for the top ten guys is pretty steep, but there's a huge drop off after them.

And I hate to be the bearer of even more pessimism, but the odds of Lance hitting that threshold are surely no better than 50/50.

Dude has one ring. He isn't elite.

I can have as man6 tiers as I want, there is no more merit in three tiers than four or five.

Trey has the ceiling of an elite player.

Not sure why you want to.be pessimistic about Trey and so defensive of Rodgers here.
This is a time of great hope, the team is so strong.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Not saying it bothers me at all. I couldn't care less if he got dicks tatted all over his back. It's his body and he can do as he pleases. Just saying I'm really not feeling that design. Like I'd probably clown my boy if he got that.

Do you have a frat tattoo on your calf?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
I think it's more than the media. GMs believe you do need a FQB , otherwise, they wouldn't be trading quality assets for them. Dump Goff bring in Stafford, dump Mayfield bring in Watson . I guess we'll wait and see how many SBs the Pats win with Mac.

Yes the same Stafford that threw a punt to Tartt that could've sealed their fate.

Also, I believe Goff too went to a SB with LAR with a lesser team.

Last time we saw Watson in the playoffs he and HOU blew a bigger lead to KC than Jimmy G and the 9ers.

Stop cherry picking certain plays. You're telling me you'd rather have a Goff, Garoppolo, Cousins etc than Mahomes, Brady or another elite QB to try and reach the SB ?

Mahomes or Brady, no doubt, not sure if there are any other elites right now.

Hopefully Lance joins the list of elites.

Dude you just gonna ignore the MVP based on one game in which it was frozen? Rodgers is elite af. Fan bias makes some of us think one game determines the rule (and the truth is, Rodgers was the best QB on the field that game). I don't get it. The same arguments were made after week 10. Suddenly Stafford is garbage because Jimmy had a career game and Stafford had his worst game of the year. One game is not a large enough sample size to determine if a guy is good or bad in a season.

Also, I think most of us can agree that Josh Allen has taken that step into the elite category. And Wilson, sorry to say it, but he was having a typical top 8 season, as he always does. Herbert, if he's not there yet, is probably going to be soon.

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If you, again, organize these guys by most statistical metrics, you'll see three clear and distinguished tiers. Now, maybe you don't want to call all the tier one guys elite, and that's reasonable, since the slope for the top ten guys is pretty steep, but there's a huge drop off after them.

And I hate to be the bearer of even more pessimism, but the odds of Lance hitting that threshold are surely no better than 50/50.

Dude has one ring. He isn't elite.

I can have as man6 tiers as I want, there is no more merit in three tiers than four or five.

Trey has the ceiling of an elite player.

Not sure why you want to.be pessimistic about Trey and so defensive of Rodgers here.
This is a time of great hope, the team is so strong.

I have 2 tiers. Super Bowl winning QBs and everyone else.