Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NDSU:
Because people have eyes. He is not "elite".

How can certain numbers make one elite but someone else with similar numbers not? Not just not elite buy labeled "limited"

That's all I'm saying. He laid out numbers to specify why one was elite.

I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
On a different note:

Trey Lance is the 3rd QB the 49ers have drafted 3rd overall, who also was the backup his rookie season. (Y.A. Tittle and John Brodie)

If history of a group is an indicator of the future particular members of the group (and generally it isn't so reliable), then Trey has a 50/50 chance of being a Hall of Famer.

And a 100% chance he wins an MVP. lol

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

We have definitely reached peak offseason pre draft mode here

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

Cousins is a good QB, but definitely not elite. He doesn't have the arm the elite guys have, or the quick processing ability / accuracy like Brady and Peyton had.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

Cousins is a good QB, but definitely not elite. He doesn't have the arm the elite guys have, or the quick processing ability / accuracy like Brady and Peyton had.

That would make his stats even more impressive then. Because his stats are right up there with the rest of those guys but lacks the elite physical traits and lacks the elite mental traits. Wow!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

Cousins is a good QB, but definitely not elite. He doesn't have the arm the elite guys have, or the quick processing ability / accuracy like Brady and Peyton had.

That would make his stats even more impressive then. Because his stats are right up there with the rest of those guys but lacks the elite physical traits and lacks the elite mental traits. Wow!

Would he have taken us further than Jimmy? He was obviously able to stay healthier….

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

Cousins is a good QB, but definitely not elite. He doesn't have the arm the elite guys have, or the quick processing ability / accuracy like Brady and Peyton had.

what about a massive back tattoo pertaining to his faith?

lance has him beat there too

suck it cousins!

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it has to do with longevity. Just like when it comes to determining FQB's. How many consecutive years has Cousins put up those types of numbers? Does he have the potential? Yes. Has he lived up to that potential?

7 years

He certainly fits the criteria for elite passer to me. I think the only reason he doesn't get the recognition is because his teams don't typically win the division, conference and do not consistently make the playoffs and when they do they are one and done.

Cousins is a good QB, but definitely not elite. He doesn't have the arm the elite guys have, or the quick processing ability / accuracy like Brady and Peyton had.

what about a massive back tattoo pertaining to his faith?

lance has him beat there too

suck it cousins!

What? I would have taken Cousins over Jimmy up until 2019 when Jimmy peaked. Now, I am all in on Trey Lance.

Really going to get messy when the 49ers draft a QB this year. Heheh

Originally posted by NCommand:
I can't wait to see this kids floor live!

...watch that growth!

You've already seen his floor, have you not?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I fail to see how Wilson isn't elite. 9 Pro Bowl selections. Career 6.2 TD% to a mere 1.8 INT%. Five 30+ TD seasons, four of which came with over 4000 yards passing. Routinely generates MVP discussion for segments of the season. The best deep ball in the NFL. Five seasons with over 500 yards rushing. Steals victory from the jaws of defeat against us on a regular basis. Fourth highest passer rating of all time. Been in the top ten in Total QBR all but two seasons in his career. Tied with Drew Brees and Y.A. Tittle on the 4th quarter comeback ranking.

Had he played all 17 games his TD/INT stats extrapolate to 31 TDs, 8 INTs.

I can't imagine that not being elite, as in, around the top 7 or 8 QBs (after this group, most statistical measures plummet, until the next plateau is reached).

Kirk Cousins 4 years in Minnesota

5.8 TD%
1.7 INT%

3 out of 4 30+ TD seasons 3 of 4 over 4,000 yards passing. 2 out of 4 pro Bowls. With a higher QB rating than Wilson.

Yet he's never considered elite.

QB rating counts completion percentage twice, and it doesn't distinguish between QB and WR contribution. It doesn't mean much, honestly, unless you pair it with something else (like Total QBR). It's probably good for nothing except being able to say if a QB is terrible or not.

Second, check out 4th quarter comebacks. Where is he on that list? Tied with Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer at 76, that's where. Elite QBs take the team on their backs and perform miracles when there is no right for their team to have a chance. That's not Cousins.

Cousins is probably on the cusp of top ten, it's true. He's near the top of tier 2, I'd say. But he's not elite. Because even getting into the top 10, IMHO doesn't necessarily make you elite. More like the top 6 or 7 for me.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I can't wait to see this kids floor live!

...watch that growth!

You've already seen his floor, have you not?

He wants him to fall a floor than watch his growth to mediocrity. Then tell us all about it

When do we get the schedule? Want to see Week 1 at LA Rams. Two best teams in the game going at it, Shanny vs McVay, Lance his debut as starter would be intense. Make it happen, commish.