Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL projections

Lance had 603 yards on 71 attempts.
If we assume 71 attempts as 2 games worth that would be around 35 attempts per game...
He had 603 yards.
603 / 2 = 302
302 x 17 = 5134 pass yards in 2022

35 would be a lot of attempts but not unusual Bills averaged 38 per game..

Would be nice to give him a lot of throws to ramp up the learning curve / development... in other words...

LET TREY SAUTE

His stats were from 2.5 games against Seattle, AZ, and Texans, plus 1 5-yard td pass against Detroit & 15-yard td run against. GB.

That would be about 240 yards per game/ 4,100 yards in a season, which is on par with Jimmy's per game averages.

Yup. I think we can ramp up the throws per game. Be more pass oriented with the ball in TL's hand more.

I assume that Shanahan will stick 40/60 pass run ratio, and emphasize more explosive plays that lead to more efficient scoring with the same amount of passes.

So in that regard Trey should have a higher per game average with the same amount of passes.

Interesting post. Regarding ratios last year we had 514 passes to 499 runs or a near 50/50. This is really run heavy as we ranked 29th in pass attempts and 5th in rush attempts. If we were to say... get to 60/40 in favor of passing.. with 1013 plays on the year.. that's 608 pass attempts... or 35 per game...

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL projections

Lance had 603 yards on 71 attempts.
If we assume 71 attempts as 2 games worth that would be around 35 attempts per game...
He had 603 yards.
603 / 2 = 302
302 x 17 = 5134 pass yards in 2022

35 would be a lot of attempts but not unusual Bills averaged 38 per game..

Would be nice to give him a lot of throws to ramp up the learning curve / development... in other words...

LET TREY SAUTE

His stats were from 2.5 games against Seattle, AZ, and Texans, plus 1 5-yard td pass against Detroit & 15-yard td run against. GB.

That would be about 240 yards per game/ 4,100 yards in a season, which is on par with Jimmy's per game averages.

He would have around 27 passing TD's 13 INT's. So right around Jimmy's numbers. Not bad for a 1st time NFL starter compared to an 8 year vet.

I don't care what twitter says. Shanahan and Lynch's statements were very positive when asked about Trey. Both believe he is ready to take the starting job. Obviously they need to see it first. I don't believe there will be a competition but if there were it would be because Trey didn't come back to work prepared. I just don't see that happening though.

It's just clickbait and trolling as if we didn't see Trey Lance perform relatively well for a rookie.

He threw more than twice as many touchdowns as interceptions, albeit in a relatively small sample size, but it's the same sample size that made Jimmy G a hot commodity as a 3rd year pro with NE.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL projections

Lance had 603 yards on 71 attempts.
If we assume 71 attempts as 2 games worth that would be around 35 attempts per game...
He had 603 yards.
603 / 2 = 302
302 x 17 = 5134 pass yards in 2022

35 would be a lot of attempts but not unusual Bills averaged 38 per game..

Would be nice to give him a lot of throws to ramp up the learning curve / development... in other words...

LET TREY SAUTE

His stats were from 2.5 games against Seattle, AZ, and Texans, plus 1 5-yard td pass against Detroit & 15-yard td run against. GB.

That would be about 240 yards per game/ 4,100 yards in a season, which is on par with Jimmy's per game averages.

Yup. I think we can ramp up the throws per game. Be more pass oriented with the ball in TL's hand more.

I assume that Shanahan will stick 40/60 pass run ratio, and emphasize more explosive plays that lead to more efficient scoring with the same amount of passes.

So in that regard Trey should have a higher per game average with the same amount of passes.

Interesting post. Regarding ratios last year we had 514 passes to 499 runs or a near 50/50. This is really run heavy as we ranked 29th in pass attempts and 5th in rush attempts. If we were to say... get to 60/40 in favor of passing.. with 1013 plays on the year.. that's 608 pass attempts... or 35 per game...

You're right, it was a 50/50 balance. I was looking at the Houston game which was 23 passes/29 rushes.

Talking about a 20 yr old first 2 games in the NFL in a game where he almost won both. Smh.. Like Deebo said they just be making up sh!t…

I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

If you guys think we will run less with Trey at QB, you are in for a shock, lol. Regardless of how much he shows in preseason, we will remain a run based team. It's just the way the niners function.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
If you guys think we will run less with Trey at QB, you are in for a shock, lol. Regardless of how much he shows in preseason, we will remain a run based team. It's just the way the niners function.

50/50 is the goal, gotta keep the D guessing

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
If you guys think we will run less with Trey at QB, you are in for a shock, lol. Regardless of how much he shows in preseason, we will remain a run based team. It's just the way the niners function.

Throwing the ball deep to back the safeties off from stacking the box would be nice.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

Last year they tried the rotating QBs early... didn't work.. they clearly decided to pick a guy a stick.. that's when we started winning..

JG is only around cuz no trade partner... also don't want to hand a div rival a starter and they are one of the few in the QB market still..

Shanny all in on TL along with JL... no way he's the pick otherwise..

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
If you guys think we will run less with Trey at QB, you are in for a shock, lol. Regardless of how much he shows in preseason, we will remain a run based team. It's just the way the niners function.

Throwing the ball deep to back the safeties off from stacking the box would be nice.

Kyle Shanahan is going to run less. Well only if he's up 10 points in the 4th quarter.

But it looks like he found an Alfred Morris type back in Tyrion Davis-Price to wear down defenses in the 2nd half, so expect the same balance just with better results.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

Wait so when does a 2nd tier reporter equal "when there's smoke there's fire?"

You might know him based on where you live, you must also know ML is not very good at his job and has been called out for it.

what about the tea leaves from Glazer and Trotter literally saying the opposite of this guy? What about all our bear writers who actually have sources? Did that not get your attention or are those guys not better than ML?

Kyle actually said they were almost thinking about playing him around the time of the bears game. They won and Jimmy started playing better. There was no competition throughout the off season. It was Jimmy's team and they never lied about that. It's not as deep as some people try to make it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Last year they tried the rotating QBs early... didn't work.. they clearly decided to pick a guy a stick.. that's when we started winning..

JG is only around cuz no trade partner... also don't want to hand a div rival a starter and they are one of the few in the QB market still..

Shanny all in on TL along with JL... no way he's the pick otherwise..

It's really as simple as that. You'd think fans who follow the team would see all that.

I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

Lance isn't raw. You keep saying that without any proof.

You've made claims about his accuracy, lack of touch, etc. that just aren't true. You know, there's a ton of analysis out there that breaks down and dissects every aspect of his rookie season that says the opposite of everything you've said.

And by the way, he never was supposed to be a Lamar Jax or Kaep type runner. He's a scrambler who can pick up a 1st down when needed.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

We had a avg QB who constantly missed reads, couldn't use the whole field, was constantly hurt and made it to the SB and NFCC. I don't think this team is taking a step back