Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

A glowing analysis of Trey's play from a former NFL QB.

This is an elite level play that a lot of vet QBs can't make. Just stop with the "he isn't ready" delusion.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

You bring a good point but it's like they've had many opportunities to select a hand picked qb. Obviously there was 2017 with mahomes and Watson however they were already planning to try to get Kirk obviously wrong decision with hindsight but looking at the pov at the time, the team was a mess and needed a complete rebuild and he wanted a veteran presence that was experienced not tie the rebuild to uncertainities hence we traded for Jimmy. After that there was just no opportunity to really get a guy. Jimmy got a massive extension in 2018 so we weren't going to take any qbs from that draft, and we still needed to see what Jimmy was during the 2019 draft and in the 2020 draft they just came off a SuperBowl appearance. That and it's not like there was any qbs worth their salt near our draft position. Kyler Murray was the only one worth a d*mn in 2019 and 2020 the only guy that we could have reasonably got was Jordan Love and that would've just been similar to what we have with Lance but a worse prospect albeit with more draft picks. I still would prefer lance but you could argue either way.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Really, really good by @treylance09 for @49ers 👏👏 pic.twitter.com/NhNaDrCuIj

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) January 6, 2022

This was my personal favorite play of Trey Lance on the day

PA is a learned skill. Lance turns his back to the def only to be met with a free rusher — how he handles it is next level

He drops his arm to show throw, 54 bites & jumps, Lance resets and fires dime to Sherfield pic.twitter.com/l47K5Af2oi

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

A glowing analysis of Trey's play from a former NFL QB.

This is an elite level play that a lot of vet QBs can't make. Just stop with the "he isn't ready" delusion.

Nice breakdown. Excited to see the kid play this year!

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

How do the 9ers have a veteran roster? Trent Williams, Juice, Arik Armstead and Jimmie Ward are the only consistent starters that have more than 5 years experience. Jimmie Juice and Trent are the only ones over 28 I believe.

Originally posted by krizay:

What about Trotter and Glazer's comments basically saying the opposite of what ML said? Where's the where's there's smoke there's fire over those comments?

kyle never even let Lance have a chance to make it a competition. That was clear from day 1.

I get it people in here like to pick and choose comments to fit narratives.

Trey is going to be handing out a bunch of receipts this season. It's going to be funny to see how many people in the media start back pedalling. Though ofcourse alot of them are using 3rd parties so if they are proven wrong they will say it wasn't my opinion, It's what I heard. Unfortunetely at the moment Trey can't do anything prove the doubters wrong because the season is still several months away. Right now it's the perfect time to pile on Trey and get these clicks because they know for the next 3 1/2 months minimum they can't be proven wrong.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

How do the 9ers have a veteran roster? Trent Williams, Juice, Arik Armstead and Jimmie Ward are the only consistent starters that have more than 5 years experience. Jimmie Juice and Trent are the only ones over 28 I believe.

https://overthecap.com/2021-season-preview-the-nfls-youngest-and-oldest-rosters/

At least last years.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

Lance isn't raw. You keep saying that without any proof.

You've made claims about his accuracy, lack of touch, etc. that just aren't true. You know, there's a ton of analysis out there that breaks down and dissects every aspect of his rookie season that says the opposite of everything you've said.

And by the way, he never was supposed to be a Lamar Jax or Kaep type runner. He's a scrambler who can pick up a 1st down when needed.

He is raw in a sense he had under 300 passing attempts ad ND state. He may not be raw now after a year of learning and watching. If he was ready shanahan would have started him. I think getting to the nfc championship game was a huge benefit for him. I don't know where he is at now, but I'm not going to overestimate where he's at now, that's really not fair.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

What about Trotter and Glazer's comments basically saying the opposite of what ML said? Where's the where's there's smoke there's fire over those comments?

kyle never even let Lance have a chance to make it a competition. That was clear from day 1.

I get it people in here like to pick and choose comments to fit narratives.

People do that everywhere. That's what makes the online world so fun. True or not, anyone can find any info that fits their narrative and makes em feel good about themselves.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
https://overthecap.com/2021-season-preview-the-nfls-youngest-and-oldest-rosters/

At least last years.

Have to look at the key players on the team. None for the 9ers are old save Trent. Robbie Gould skewing the overall age doesn't change that.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think Trey will be good eventually. I think it's going to take a lot of time, and that's a problem with this roster. Honestly, Shanahan should have handpicked his qb early on. Now we have a veteran roster with a raw qb, and that's fristrating. I'll ne patient, at least that's what calm cool off season me is saying.

Lance isn't raw. You keep saying that without any proof.

You've made claims about his accuracy, lack of touch, etc. that just aren't true. You know, there's a ton of analysis out there that breaks down and dissects every aspect of his rookie season that says the opposite of everything you've said.

And by the way, he never was supposed to be a Lamar Jax or Kaep type runner. He's a scrambler who can pick up a 1st down when needed.

He is raw in a sense he had under 300 passing attempts ad ND state. He may not be raw now after a year of learning and watching. If he was ready shanahan would have started him. I think getting to the nfc championship game was a huge benefit for him. I don't know where he is at now, but I'm not going to overestimate where he's at now, that's really not fair.

NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

This is a silly take. First of all the "where there is smoke there's fire thing" you're talking about the smoke alarm going off because the battery needs to be changed.

What smoke? I'm assuming if you're posting here you've been following this team long enough to know they have no leaked a single thing they didn't actually want out there since Kyle and John took over. Only time people have reported things from the 49ers it was BS(Mac Jones at 3 or Kyle/John rift)

Also we REALLY need to stop the stupid narrative that Kyle was forced to draft Lance. Have you not been paying attention??? We had Joe Williams off the draft board going into the round in 2017. Shanahan wanted him and we moved up to draft him. How many other moves have Shanahan written all over them? They only time we make a move it has his stamp of approval or his demand. Thinking that he would put his reputation on the line for a guy he didn't actually want is incredible stupid. Shanahan would quit if the Yorks found out he wanted Jones and forced him to take Lance. He's the man who calls the shots here. He wanted Lance because that's who we drafted.

Hell if you paid attention before we even traded up you could see Shanahan wanted someone like Lance. It's like you guys ignore all this stuff to go with some really silly conspiracy theories.

And there are many other reasons why Shanahan went away from using Lance - which he actually discussed already. Our gameplan vs Arizona was terrible but Kyle kind of called games scared when he didn't have guys he trusted out there, specially at RB. That game Kittle was out, he didn't trust Aiyuk and Mitchell was beat up. Plus reports after said Lance wasn't fully healed from his finger injury in the last preseason game. Gameplan was much better vs Houston.

So stop paying attention to weird "sources" trying to get Twitter interactions and watch your own team closely.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What about Trotter and Glazer's comments basically saying the opposite of what ML said? Where's the where's there's smoke there's fire over those comments?

kyle never even let Lance have a chance to make it a competition. That was clear from day 1.

I get it people in here like to pick and choose comments to fit narratives.

Ever since Joe Montana relayed that some 49ers players do not think Lance is "ready," so much praise about Lance has been said from the 49ers side.

They haven't openly said it, but it is clear that they are using the media to get out their message of full on support.

Which is exactly what they should have done. That said, Joe isn't going to make that stuff up. And Scangarello worked directly with Trey so if he was ML's source... the hwo can't be coincidence.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences