Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Ever since Joe Montana relayed that some 49ers players do not think Lance is "ready," so much praise about Lance has been said from the 49ers side.

They haven't openly said it, but it is clear that they are using the media to get out their message of full on support.

Which is exactly what they should have done. That said, Joe isn't going to make that stuff up. And Scangarello worked directly with Trey so if he was ML's source... the hwo can't be coincidence.

Who gives a s**t what Montana says in 2022? He doesn't care about this team and they have to pay him to show up. He hasn't been to a practice in over a decade. No one is calling him an evaluator nor should they….Yeah weird he roots for the vet over the young athletic QB, sounds awful similar, no? He's busy making sketches commercials vs evaluating who's the SF QB.

ML hasn't been covering the eagles for years well before Rich and his ONE season as a offensive assistant. I just listen to a pod with Rich talking about Lance and other young QBs. He had absolutely nothing bad to say about him. He talked about what he valued most in a QB, which was to stand in the pocket and take a hit and not crumble under pressure…which is hard to evaluate in college because it's all spread offenses, screens/RPOs and clean pockets. He said he was a big Josh Allen fan coming out that yr too. Not your typical in the pocket QB like people think that's all he wanted.

so let's put the tinfoil hats down and stop pretending this goober who has no affiliation with SF and is a 2nd tier insider that most SF fan have never even heard of until yesterday, has any god damn clue what's what…at the very least why not value what more prominent reports like glazer/Trotter have said? Oh that's right because it doesn't fit one's narrative. Please.

Like our beat writers have stated they're all in on Lance and he is the starter this yr. Sorry dude.

Originally posted by krizay:

Ever since Joe Montana relayed that some 49ers players do not think Lance is "ready," so much praise about Lance has been said from the 49ers side.

They haven't openly said it, but it is clear that they are using the media to get out their message of full on support.

Which is exactly what they should have done. That said, Joe isn't going to make that stuff up. And Scangarello worked directly with Trey so if he was ML's source... the hwo can't be coincidence.

Lol

Originally posted by krizay:
That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

Yes because other QBs read cue cards on the side of the field. Do not call their own protections outside of pointing out a MIKE LBer and half their throws are off of RPOs with predetermined reads.

go look at freaking Lawrence the generational talent and that offense they ran. Even Jones didn't have a ton of protection responsibilities and lead the league in screen yards.

yes Lance is young and doesn't have 4 yrs of football under his belt but his reps were not something form a Mike Leach ran offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who gives a s**t what Montana says in 2022? He doesn't care about this team and they have to pay him to show up. He hasn't been to a practice in over a decade. No one is calling him an evaluator nor should they….Yeah weird he roots for the vet over the young athletic QB, sounds awful similar, no? He's busy making sketches commercials vs evaluating who's the SF QB.

ML hasn't been covering the eagles for years well before Rich and his ONE season as a offensive assistant. I just listen to a pod with Rich talking about Lance and other young QBs. He had absolutely nothing bad to say about him. He talked about what he valued most in a QB, which was to stand in the pocket and take a hit and not crumble under pressure…which is hard to evaluate in college because it's all spread offenses, screens/RPOs and clean pockets. He said he was a big Josh Allen fan coming out that yr too. Not your typical in the pocket QB like people think that's all he wanted.

so let's put the tinfoil hats down and stop pretending this goober who has no affiliation with SF and is a 2nd tier insider that most SF fan have never even heard of until yesterday, has any god damn clue what's what…at the very least why not value what more prominent reports like glazer/Trotter have said? Oh that's right because it doesn't fit one's narrative. Please.

Like our beat writers have stated they're all in on Lance and he is the starter this yr. Sorry dude.

What does

Joe Montana relayed that some 49ers players do not think Lance is "ready,"

Have to do with Joe evaluating anything?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lol

Imagine if Joe said he should start lol? Think anyone would use that comment for something in here? Nope. Most certainly not the people who still bring it up…..only the handful of guys that didn't want Lance still cling to that like it's some meaningful thing.

Their knew ammo is some guy they didn't even know wrote about football until yesterday lol.

Originally posted by krizay:
What does

Joe Montana relayed that some 49ers players do not think Lance is "ready,"

Have to do with Joe evaluating anything?

Like I said he doesn't do s**t with the 49ers. They have to pay for him to even show up. Wow he took a pic with Deebo once…yeah I'm sure they're all DMing each other lol. Give me a break.

We get it you didn't want Lance you wanted jones…get over it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'm the believer of where there's smoke there's fire. But to what extent is there truth and how serious is it is the question.

Anyone can kinda piece together that there are hesitations about Lance right now. Some are natural and expected given that he was super raw and played one year at a small school.

However, reading the tea leaves isn't the most encouraging right now:

It was clear that Shanahan didn't trust Lance last year when he ran him into the ground and got him hurt against...was it AZ? It was also clear he had a ways to go when Garoppolo was struggling and banged up and there was never a real consideration for Lance to start. Again, as a rookie without experience or a grasp on the NFL level yet...I can see all of that.

But if Garoppolo sticks around somehow it's a huge red flag for Lance.

It means that he hasn't developed the way they'd like, that they may already start to feel like he's either not ready or not the guy. It also tells me, as someone tweeted, that Shanahan was forced into Lance. I already think that just given that he didn't look for ways to incorporate Lance into game situations at all last year minus the first game.

I know you don't wanna erode a QB's confidence or turn to another guy when he's in a groove. But what about when we needed a jumpstart on offense? There wasn't a single play or two where you could gotten lance involved and gotten him that experience?

If he was a guy that Shanahan so very much coveted, Shanny would have been exploring every way to get him involved without jeopardizing Lance's confidence or a victory. The fact that he didn't is telling.

Once the bullets are flying and this guy actually starts regular season games we'll know. I'm not ready to say the sky is falling but this certainly isn't what you wanna hear. The complete conflict of some people saying "he's looking great" and others--even players--saying "he'll get there" or something else cryptic to allude to the fact that he's not ready at all is worrisome.

This is a silly take. First of all the "where there is smoke there's fire thing" you're talking about the smoke alarm going off because the battery needs to be changed.

What smoke? I'm assuming if you're posting here you've been following this team long enough to know they have no leaked a single thing they didn't actually want out there since Kyle and John took over. Only time people have reported things from the 49ers it was BS(Mac Jones at 3 or Kyle/John rift)

Also we REALLY need to stop the stupid narrative that Kyle was forced to draft Lance. Have you not been paying attention??? We had Joe Williams off the draft board going into the round in 2017. Shanahan wanted him and we moved up to draft him. How many other moves have Shanahan written all over them? They only time we make a move it has his stamp of approval or his demand. Thinking that he would put his reputation on the line for a guy he didn't actually want is incredible stupid. Shanahan would quit if the Yorks found out he wanted Jones and forced him to take Lance. He's the man who calls the shots here. He wanted Lance because that's who we drafted.

Hell if you paid attention before we even traded up you could see Shanahan wanted someone like Lance. It's like you guys ignore all this stuff to go with some really silly conspiracy theories.

And there are many other reasons why Shanahan went away from using Lance - which he actually discussed already. Our gameplan vs Arizona was terrible but Kyle kind of called games scared when he didn't have guys he trusted out there, specially at RB. That game Kittle was out, he didn't trust Aiyuk and Mitchell was beat up. Plus reports after said Lance wasn't fully healed from his finger injury in the last preseason game. Gameplan was much better vs Houston.

So stop paying attention to weird "sources" trying to get Twitter interactions and watch your own team closely.

This! The only accurate info that makes it out of HQ is what KS and JL want out, and even then there is a reason behind it and it goes to guys like MM and MB.

Smoke alarm needs its battery changed.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in an actual NFL game. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in an actual NFL game. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Im literally replying to a dude who brought up what he did or had to do in college. Even highlighted what I was replying to

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in an actual NFL game. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Im literally replying to a dude who brought up what he did or had to do in college. Even highlighted what I was replying to

Oops, misread. My bad.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.

What are you talking about? Shanahan ran the ravens west offense, it turned out bad game 1. Shanahan ran a real offense game 2, against a team that embarrassed Justin Herbert the week before, in a must win game and any unbiased person would say trey looked good. I'm not saying EVERY throw and every play was immaculate, I'm saying overall that was a quality start.

I 100% agree trey didn't burst into the scene as a Watson or herb did, but those are extremely rare throughout NFL history. Trey is not some incredible rare prodigy. He's a 21 year old who needs more snaps but take a look at how far he jumped from preseason to game start 2.

No guarantee he becomes a great QB but there's only 1 way to find out

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.

How could there be any consistency given the limited play time he saw? I don't think we'll see consistency out of the kid until he's played at least 3 games in a row. It's funny how the people who expect the least out of him complain when they don't see the best.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.

How could there be any consistency given the limited play time he saw? I don't think we'll see consistency out of the kid until he's played at least 3 games in a row. It's funny how the people who expect the least out of him complain when they don't see the best.

I don't think it's fair to give him only 3 games. I've maintained all along we can't really see big improvments, especially during the first half of next season.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.

And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.

Jimmy Year 3:

43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.

2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins

*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.

Lance Year 1:

41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating

2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.

And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.

This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.

Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.

DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022

That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.

He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences

This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.

That's experience.

You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.

Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.

It's called a rookie season, and he didn't look lost. He was comfortable in the offense as it was similar to NDSU. What you saw was him being rusty and needing more reps.

You can see him that in the SD game where he had the most extensive preseason playing time, that he started out of sync with his WR throwing late and high on crossing routes to Deebo and Sanu, resulting in a pass being tipped by a WR and getting intercepted.

But then he got into a rhythm and had 2 nice back to back td drives, going 8/14 102 yard while making some really impressive throws.

In the Seattle game he started slow but still ended up going 9/18 157 yards 2 tds in just one half.

AZ started slow got into a rhythm later, same thing with Houston.

That was him acclimating to the pro game and still looking impressive. He was clearly well prepared.

Had they started him from game 1, the team would have had a similar record and gone to the playoffs. Who's to say if they couldn't have gone all the way? Last year's team was special. They had grit and played for each other and refused to lose, look at the GB game.